Unethical use of intellectual property
Plagiarism is a misdemeanor offense, but it is an offense to steal intellectual property, especially since Digital Journal pays the writers by the number of readers and votes.
All over the Internet I am finding people who have copied and pasted a number of my articles in their entirety. They give credit to DJ and to me, but nevertheless they paste the entire article, which means readers don't have to leave their site to read the material.
I am outraged this is happening, and it is happening a lot.
What has been the experience of others, and how shall we handle this.
Carol
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Oh Carol, but people on this forum have been doing it all the time to other writers and still do. How would you like to stop that practice???
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@ ■ 666divine
Oh Carol, but people on this forum have been doing it all the time to other writers and still do. How would you like to stop that practice???
And by no means am I implying that you are guilty of plagiarism but I am implying that others here on the site are and have been.
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Good, because I don't. I think we should turn in the names of sites to the editors and have them send a notice. Some of these birds don't have contact info, but they do use Google ad words and so are paid on their site. I want to know if others are having the same problem of people cutting and pasting THE ENTIRE ARTICLE not just excerpts. Excerpts are legal. Pasting the entire article is against DJ rules and is theft of intellectual property.
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@ ■ Carol Forsloff
Good, because I don't. I think we should turn in the names of sites to the editors and have them send a notice. Some of these birds don't have contact info, but they do use Google ad words and so are paid on their site. I want to know if others are having the same problem of people cutting and pasting THE ENTIRE ARTICLE not just excerpts. Excerpts are legal. Pasting the entire article is against DJ rules and is theft of intellectual property.
Do you want to go around in circles here? There are people on this site who have been doing just that! How could DJ "turn in the names of sites to the editors" when members here are just as guilty of doing the same thing. Let DJ clean up it's act before prosecuting others!!!
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I doubt there is anything you can achieve in pursuing the matter especially if they gave you and DJ full credit for the article or otherwise. The AP which has vast amounts of funds along with legal teams at their disposal tried to do pretty much the same thing with no effect so it doesn't look promising for a Digital Journalist or the Digital Journal staff.
My guess would be that your only choice would be to write to the admins of sites that regularly post your work and ask to have their member or whomever reprimanded or at least asked to only use excerpts along with a link to your article to read in full here. The only way to help stop such things is if DJ installed software to not allow copying of the texts with right clicking which might deter the lazy typist or marginal PC user. Obama's website and others have used this in the past but it isn't fool proof as there are way's to get around it.
Good luck but I fear it's just one of those thing you will have to accept for quite a while.
Just a thought but if some of these other sights pay for works you could join those sites and beat their plagiarists(?) to the punch and rake in a few extra bucks at the same time? assuming DJ doesn't have a rule for that. lol
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I must agree with Carol,
It's one thing to borrow one or two paragraphs, link to DJ and say "read more." It's another to copy and paste and somewhere throw in that BTW, this is from DJ. I have had one case where they did this and I wasn't happy.
I agree, Carol, that we should turn in their URLs to the eds and let them call on them. If nothing happens, perhaps we could put up a "name and shame" blog.
BUT. We should contact them first, as some of the Third World bloggers and perhaps others honestly don't know better.
As for legal action, I suspect if the site isn't in North America or the EU, it wouldn't be possible. Still, I am all for following up your excellent suggestion.
Now, how do we make this a practical reality?
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I too have experienced that.
It seems that there isn't really much that can be done about it by individuals, particularly in cases outside of Europe, the USA, Canada and some other countries.
Publishing houses and big press organisations are another matter of course. They have legal departments for that.
For the rest of us, it would probably be a long, costly and very time-consuming affair.
It would be nice to know something could be done about it but it seems to me that it won't happen anytime soon.
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I do think if DJ as a company contacted them, it would obviously have more clout than any one of us. At last it's worth it as a policy.
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I think we are paid too little to spend time pursuing these folks. But I do think DJ can. I have had not one or two or incidental material but full texts many times. I have never found a full text copied on DJ, so that's a mute point. I have found stories rewriting material without citation, which is under journalism rules plagiarism. Taking stories and copying them word for word takes income from the writer absolutely, since we are paid for votes. I think it is outrageous, as we are not AP writers and don't get the same remuneration.
I have found some sites with no contact information, but I have written to those with it. One site is using some of my forensic articles as part of their course material with the instructor's name on it!
I am advising all I see, as I check randomly but believe DJ has a responsibility as well.
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P.S. The sites are all in the U.S. from what I can see.
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Wow, that is disturbing. Well, I guess as the publisher, DJ does have some responsibility but what should they do? I believe it is them that "owns" the article once it is posted here on DJ but if you post it elsewhere as well, what happens then? I have never experienced this sort of thing and am interested in knowing just how did you discover this was happening Carol?
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I am personally flattered by it, and it doesn't irk me a bit. But I don't rely on the money I make here.
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Well if they own my articles and I can't repaste them anywhere I want, I'll rethink about writing here. Not that I bring in much anymore anyway. I don't have the time to reasearch articles that pay me only a few dollars.
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There's some interesting info in those comments.
I would, of course, support any collective move to counter this even though I highly doubt that it would be effective.
As for DJ's possible implication, that's more tricky. I am not sure that they are obliged to help writers in a strictly legal sense because we are not employed by DJ and that concept doesn't exist in the terms and conditions we all agreed to and 'signed'. I must admit that I don't really see any moral obligation or responsibility either, unless I'm missing something here. I mean, it isn't DJ's fault if our work is pirated.
Maybe erroneously, I see DJ as a site which hosts work, much like Blogger hosts blogs, and I cannot see the day when either of them would be obliged by law to protect our work.
Thoughts anyone?
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Check the Terms of Service. We are asked to report abuse to DJ. They have already helped me once. They are not a blogging site. They pay for work and they do have an obligation. Our articles help them earn money because they drive traffic. Figure how many of us there are and how many hits, and you have some idea of the daily traffic. That's not peanuts. I expect support, otherwise why write here and not just all be independent with Google ad words. We are a collective group, and DJ makes money as a result. The Terms of Service spells out the fact they want this reported.
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Read the Terms of Service. DJ doesn't own the articles. Furthermore it is not flattering to have material stolen, which it is. It is legally indefensible to do it when it is material you are paid for. It is like stealing apples from a cart when you make your living selling apples. It is offensive, illegal and must be stopped. I am not flattered, and I have found about 20 of my articles used in this way.
We do own our work, and we can paste them on our blogs or anywhere. But no one else can.
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I know they aren't a blogging site Carol, I just wanted to say that, like with them, we are not contracted employees on DJ, at least I don't think so, and was just wondering about the legal and moral obligation thing within that context. The only way to know would be to have the legal facts, which I for one don't lol!!
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P.S. The sites are all in the U.S. from what I can see.
The site I mentioned appeared to be in India. Their use of English underlined that. I could check, but it would take a while. This is from memory. Of course, I suppose most abuse sites would be in the US, as most internet sites are there anyway!
Regards.
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The facts are on the Terms of Service. Besides that stealing is against the law, and stealing is stealing when income is generated from a product or service.
I intend to follow up on this for myself. Those who want to join me may write to me on my contact form. I set up this blog rather than writing to the owners, editors and users separately, as it is a problem that affects DJ since traffic moves away from their site to articles posted elsewhere. When I post an article on my blog, I usually link right back here and do a portion of it just as I would in the case of any material I use.
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Maybe erroneously, I see DJ as a site which hosts work, much like Blogger hosts blogs, and I cannot see the day when either of them would be obliged by law to protect our work.
Thoughts anyone?
Hi David,
Behold, the Thoughts! However you look at it, DJ uses our stories to drive readers to DJ's site and thereby attract advertisers.So it is in DJ's own interest to stop people pirating our articles. As Carol has said, and I've indicated before, it's one thing to quote a bit, which would be "Fair Use", like we quote from newspapers etc, but to copy and paste is blatant intellectual property theft, so DJ should look into it out of self interest, if nothing else.
BTW, where are the DJ editors. C'mon gents, chime in!!
Cheers,
Chris
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@ ■ Christopher Szabo
Hi David,
Behold, the Thoughts! However you look at it, DJ uses our stories to drive readers to DJ's site and thereby attract advertisers.So it is in DJ's own interest to stop people pirating our articles. As Carol has said, and I've indicated before, it's one thing to quote a bit, which would be "Fair Use", like we quote from newspapers etc, but to copy and paste is blatant intellectual property theft, so DJ should look into it out of self interest, if nothing else.
BTW, where are the DJ editors. C'mon gents, chime in!!
Cheers,
Chris
Hi David?
Hi Alan, ummm I mean Chris, my name's Michael lol!
:)
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DigitalJournal.com does its best to police where articles end up, but there is only so much we can monitor, only so much we can do. We encourage individual Digital Journalists to contact editors/webmasters who have lifted entire stories off DigitalJournal.com. When an email comes from the writer, it often spurs the editor to action, and most sites will quickly take down the article and reply to your email.
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Carol, I am sorry if I've upset you in any way but to explain my way of thinking, DJ does of course own whatever we post on their site, as soon as we post it on their site, otherwise what gives them the right to editorialize whatever we've put on there? We own the copyright to our own writing and can do whatever we like with it, but whatever we post here, belongs to DJ. Can you delete an article off the site? I don't think so, the only way to do that is to contact DJ and get them to do it (and believe me, they won't always do as you ask ... right guys?).
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Hi Carol..
I quite agree with you. Before I joined Digital Journal I did a piece on how the 'Roca Brothers' (Michelin starred chefs) in Spain managed to suspend cava in jelly form, sounds weird, but I used a main phrase in the article and described them as 'culinary engineers.' I set up a google alert with that phrase and discovered that many people had also taken a liking to cava jelly and my article, mostly in Asia, strangely enough...I felt very annoyed and posted to them respectfully crafted comments...
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@ ■ Carolyn E. Price
Carol, I am sorry if I've upset you in any way but to explain my way of thinking, DJ does of course own whatever we post on their site, as soon as we post it on their site, otherwise what gives them the right to editorialize whatever we've put on there? We own the copyright to our own writing and can do whatever we like with it, but whatever we post here, belongs to DJ. Can you delete an article off the site? I don't think so, the only way to do that is to contact DJ and get them to do it (and believe me, they won't always do as you ask ... right guys?).
Carolyn I think at one time we could delete an article that we wrote but it looks as if we can no longer do that.
After reading your comment I checked my last article.
I also noticed this which I have never seen or noticed before, "Article can no longer be edited. Please post updates in the comment section."
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Cynthia, this is my point, once an article is posted on the site, after a day I think, you can no longer edit it and you cannot delete it if you want to. DJ has the control and that is why I said they "own" it once you've posted it.
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When I've found sites that use my entire article without permission or a link to my original article I write them. Most respond saying they "fixed" the error.
I just got this one today:
"Not sure how we can ascertain if you are the original source, but we made the change you requested."
LOL.
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DJ doesn't pay you to write articles in any form. If they did you would be paid a set amount per article or something along those lines. You are only paid for the traffic that your article brings through their doors to put it simply. At least that is my understanding of how it works judging by their pay scaling and ability for your pay to go up and down for the same article.
As I stated before your best and most effective defense would be to track down your stolen property and report it to the management or if all else fails simply post a comment with your original link to the article and publicly object to the theft of your article. By doing so you will eventually discredit those "writers" and or web sites and they may decide you are too much trouble for the piece and blemishing their site's credibility.
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Hi Alan, ummm I mean Chris, my name's Michael lol!
'Course it is! I meant your "secret" name! Okay, so I've got no brains...
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@ ■ Richard Bass
As I stated before your best and most effective defense would be to track down your stolen property and report it to the management or if all else fails simply post a comment with your original link to the article and publicly object to the theft of your article. By doing so you will eventually discredit those "writers" and or web sites and they may decide you are too much trouble for the piece and blemishing their site's credibility.
Some good advice, IMO. Public shame for stealing your work, I would bet, will have successful results for anyone who has had this happen to them.
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I remember this happening at least once here on DJ.
A writer had copied and pasted an entire article by someone else. The author came on and told her she could have at least given him credit for the article. He posted a link to his article.
I think she was doing it on a fairly regular basis until DJ called her on it when someone contacted the staff. She isn't here any longer.
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Okay, I just found a forum that copied most of an article of mine from DJ, just so they could say this:
A good example of pro-Hunnish propaganda in modern Hungary.
On the other hand, they leave the link to my story in, so I/we probably got some hits from them. They're also not making money out of it.
Any ideas?
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I am doing that now, but I have found more than 20, and some with no contact information at all, but plenty of Google ads.
I am furious!
Furthermore the articles posted here are like they are on other sites who also pay by the traffic, they pay for fair use. That's all. It is expected the articles can remain indefinitely as they do on any news site.
If you write for the New York Times, you are paid once but people can access your stories from archives maintained by the management--and they pay to access them often. So when someone takes material during the time you are being paid for it, that's a different thing. It's as if you wrote a story for the New York Times and while you were being compensated, let's say as an independent reporter, someone went in to the offices and took your next check, because it would be like you are being paid on installments.
I think writers should help monitor but I also think DJ has an obligation to its writers, since traffic brings them income, to be part of that monitoring. Doing everything on one's own, well how is that different than an individual blog where you will be paid according to the number of readers and you monitor your own material. In other words, what does DJ do to support us and protect us and them from plagiarizing that dips into their pockets as well.
If individual writers have it happen, and subsequently leave, DJ can simply replace the writer with another one. But the writers lose. Period. I do think there is mutual responsibility.
DJ has fair use of my material but does not own it. Nor does anyone certainly without permission. It is far from flattering to be stolen from.
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I have had the entire article pasted with a link but why would someone go back to the main piece when they don't have to.
And yes, I will bet these folks make money in some way, even if it is their reputation that is enhanced.
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Hey david!! Check this out, our cover it live presidential debate was commented on
http://www.penultimosdias.com/2008/10/07/material-de-estudio-para-esta-noche/
gist of translation, we were being superficial, so was michelle malkin.
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Okay, here is a forum that has put up my whole story. I have tried and tried to contact them, but they seem to insist that I sign into the forum. It is
http://forum.stirpes.net/ethnology/23550-hungarian-researcher-trial-hun-tribes.html
Any ideas how to contact them without signing in?
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I have been fully copied once. I posted a story on Susan's blog, and since she is jewish an isreali blog picked it up, but it put links to the DJ posting. I probably got some hits from it that I wouldn't have had before. Possibly.
I know you are offended by it Carol, and have every reason to be. Me personally, as long as I get credit I can deal. I would prefer a blurb and a link, but not everyone knows netiquette.
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@ ■ Christopher Szabo
Okay, here is a forum that has put up my whole story. I have tried and tried to contact them, but they seem to insist that I sign into the forum. It is
Any ideas how to contact them without signing in?
Here is one of the administrator's blogs http://www.unsri-heimet.blogspot.com/
for this guy http://forum.stirpes.net/members/aptrgangr.html
here is his e-mail info@unsri-heimet.eu
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I don't give a pigs ear about flattery or credits. I have a resume full of them and don't need some blogger to steal my entire story. Entire story, not a few paragraphs. It is not just being offended over some slight. It is stealing. It is defined as stealing when our stories are paid for hits.
That's the first thing one learns in journalism ethics. If you want to check my statement of fact, check with a lawyer. I know and teach these very things, and I don't think the University would have had me continue to do it, and give exams, without my knowing at least something.
It is STEALING AND IT IS NOT FLATTERY! If you want flattery, write for nothing. There are plenty of places eager to have those who simply want to get credits. Frankly, I think Sam writes better than that. By not acting in concert, folks are simply saying: it's okay. By admin doing nothing, they say you are on your own for everything. So why be a group?.
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I just got a response. It is a non profit group so they thought it would be okay. I wrote back and said they could use two paragraphs and put a link to the rest of the story. I told them if I wanted to donate to non profit groups I give to Goodwill instead.
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Many people have expressed concerned about articles being taken/stolen without compensation or credit. Would you guys be OK with them using your content if you were paid for it, even if it was only a small amount of $$.
And on the flip side, if you run your own blog would you be willing to pay for content if you could afford it, i.e. if it was inexpensive to buy content, would you run it on your site?
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@ ■ Chris Hogg
Many people have expressed concerned about articles being taken/stolen without compensation or credit. Would you guys be OK with them using your content if you were paid for it, even if it was only a small amount of $$.
And on the flip side, if you run your own blog would you be willing to pay for content if you could afford it, i.e. if it was inexpensive to buy content, would you run it on your site?
Considering our website is driven by profits, I would rather my content remain free for people to use. However Carol does have a point about stealing. Too bad there isn't a way where they can only copy and past the first couple of paragraphs. maybe, and this is asking alot of Alex, he can put in a " share " button that gives the first two paragraphs and a link for peopel to share. Then make it so the page cannot be copy/pasted? That would be a bother huh...
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Are you thinking about creating an archive of content Chris/David? There could even be a section for DJ's whereby requests for articles were offered with you guys taking a cut (probably features I expect)
I would defintely be ok with that ie, content reused.... Surely there's room for 'subtle' sponsorship somewhere too? Don't laugh at me, I know I'm having a blonde day today but I'm sure there is a nugget of an idea there...without compromising quality or content.. Am very aware of that...
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@ ■ Alethea Borgman
Are you thinking about creating an archive of content Chris/David? There could even be a section for DJ's whereby requests for articles were offered with you guys taking a cut (probably features I expect)
I would defintely be ok with that ie, content reused.... Surely there's room for 'subtle' sponsorship somewhere too? Don't laugh at me, I know I'm having a blonde day today but I'm sure there is a nugget of an idea there...without compromising quality or content.. Am very aware of that...
We were actually just curious about habits and what people would do with their own blogs. I don't mean to detract from the conversation here so I've posted this question in survey format in another blog. If you run your own blog, we would greatly appreciate your feedback as we may run an editorial series on this subject.
Sorry for hijacking the thread Carol. Back to discussing how to get sites to stop taking your content...
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Whenever I copy any articles on my blog, I first obtain permission from the author to do so. I also will post a message on top and at the bottom of such a copied article, asking readers to please also vote on Digital Journal for the journalist's article and pictures, providing the linka where they can do so. One could also post a short introduction to the article with permission from the author, and then provide the link where they can read and vote on it. As Chris Szabo pointed out, there are many bloggers who are not aware of the publication rights of authors. A courteous message to such a blogger to either remove the copied article, or shorten it so that it will be read on Digital Journal in its entirety, seems a very good way of dealing with this.
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Hi,
I wrote several DJ articles on boxing and several boxing websites just copied the whole article without any links. Here are two examples
1. Article 1 and the original DJ article
2. australiam website copied an article I posted on DJ ( link )
A professional sports writer also copied some of my articles word for word and published it in a newspaper in Asia. He got paid more that I did.
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I would never pay for content for my blog. I am however curteous and I only copy a fraction of the article and then link to the blog/newspaper it was taken from. In that way I am not only providing content for my website for my readers, but also driving my readers to their wesbite which helps with theri profits. I will never pay for helping others network or get exposure. That is a service provided to those who I think are good enough to be on my blog.
lol how is that for egotistical!
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Ms. Struijt was originally a DJ article and I assume is back. Here's the point: I ask permission, others ask permission. But there are newspapers, not just blogs, that copy and paste entire articles. If we did that, we could really be at risk.
Other content sites do allow people to purchase features and writers are compensated when they do. I know because I write for other sites, including two traditional newspapers in Louisiana. People are told when they enter the site they can read, but if they want to copy an article they have to pay a small fee. There should be a strong statement about not copying and pasting entire articles without permission, and it should be on the home page. That takes care of the excuse of those who say they don't know. I frankly think anyone who doesn't know shouldn't be taking Google ads and writing information pieces, because it is common sense it's wrong to take something you didn't write or do. I mean, if stealing is something that needs to be debated like politics, then humanity is really in trouble.
It is stealing. There is no other word for it. There should be a warning piece and an offer for people who might want to buy.
As for me, I have paid for articles. I got Lee Iaccoca to allow me a reprint of part of the first chapter of his book in the local paper I have edited in Louisiana for a total of $50. The paper got 100,000 hits in two days following the online edition, and it in the archives reached over 1 million. They were so taken I had asked permission, when I could have stolen it and they would maybe never have known in a little print version of a paper in rural Louisiana, but I wouldn't steal from the rich or the poor.
The admin needs to do something about this by making a statement, while we contact users when we notice it and also let DJ know so if they don't stop, then a strong letter from the Editor will likely make most of them stop.
I have written to a couple, and there has been no response.
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I remember an article of mine which I wrote for Bleacherreport.com... well, some weeks later I saw it in Bukisa.com... the same words, the same phrase, the same title but written by a different author.
LOL.. I didn't report it anyway, waste of time.. at least for me.
See for yourself..
This is mine.. published April 16
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/157273-kobe-bryant-the-dilemma-of-a-lonely-hunter
This is mine.. I guess, published April 17
http://www.bukisa.com/articles/67397_kobe-bryant-the-dilemma-of-a-lonely-hunter
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If stealing is fine, don't respond. My Mother taught me stealing is stealing; and those who can afford to have their ideas and stories stolen will see more of this happen. The more people neglect to say something is wrong, the more the wrong continues. My Mother also told me "there's no such thing as a little murder"--meaning doing something wrong is wrong, period.
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Carol. some people don't see it as stealing if proper credit is given, they see it as free advertising. Now I will support you if you want people to blurb it and link it. However I don't think I am in the position to demand someone pay me for a blurb of my work. For the whole thing? Maybe, but something is only worth what you are willing to pay for it and I doubt anybody would be willing to pay me real money for my writing as I am not a college graduate.
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Sam, we aren't talking about a blurb, we are talking about THE WHOLE THING! That is not a link. It is stealing. Taking the entire article and cutting and pasting it on a site that has Google ad words, that earns the user money where it is pasted, is stealing. Absolutely.
My work off this site for print media translated to online has ranged to $125, researched article, given to local media sources on the Democratic election. Taking THE ENTIRE ARTICLE is not a blurb. When it happened during the election, the media source in Louisiana took the culprit to task. It should be done here, and there are no excuses. That is what I have been talking about incessantly here.
Any credible news site helps protect its writers. I have a responsibility to help, but those who earn money from my work have an obligation as well--and so far I haven't heard anything except the writer's responsibility. Folks like Chris S have limited incomes and need the money. So do other people. Those who don't may not care, but then it comes down to values also. And knowledge of journalism ethics, which is important in the business, whether one is a citizen journalist or not. If folks don't care to learn or use journalism ethics, then I worry about the business in general. Whether or not a person has a college degree is not important. The standard of ethics is what it is.
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Carol if you feel like your work was stolen then perhaps you should pursue it legally.
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I am not writing any more about this here.
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I am a Quaker and don't sue people. I believe there are other ways of doing things, and one of them is having rules spelled out, which isn't done on this website in terms of readers.
I think DJ has a responsibility in these matters, and to be a credible news outlet it needs to have its rules spelled out not just in favor of itself but to support its writers as well. I have said my piece, and now I know it means little to many I will not express my ideas on this subject again. This is basic journalism ethics, and if it isn't responded to, it shows me the class will be of little significance if it isn't taught since it is the most important part of the learning--and you can ask your local journalism department if they agree, which they will. The journalism instructors I talked to, that have been my colleagues, were horrified it was allowed and that people think it is all right. A colleague of mine won't write online for any publication that doesn't clearly spell this out. She has taught journalism at a major university in California for 30 years and wonders why this is even being debated.
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Carol you asked people " What has been the experience of others, and how shall we handle this"
Many people including myself have done exactly as you requested and offered reasonable and realistic ideas to help you resolve or ease your problem in this matter but it seems the only answer you want to hear is the only one you can not have. You are asking for people to do things even the most wealthy companies have not been able to achieve so what exactly are your expecting to happen?
DJ may need to make additions to their rules for the reader and spell out it is not acceptable for anyone to steal your work but in reality how is that going to stop anyone from doing it anyway? You are almost asking for the posters and DJ staff, or anyone else for that matter to do the impossible.
You are against suing or taking legal matters upon yourself but perhaps feel it fine for DJ to do it for you? Unless it is a major site DJ's writing a strongly worded e-mail will probably do little more than entertain the reader.
Maybe you are asking the wrong people since you are obviously in communication with informed and experienced journalists and educators whom if possible should be able to give you the correct effective measures that DJ and you could consider for resolving the problem.
Maybe you would have had better success if you had simply asked what are conceivable improvements to DJ that is in their capabilities to help prevent theft and concentrated less on ranting what is right and wrong.
I do hope you and DJ come up with a solution not just for you but for everyone but a tast of reality will also be needed and accepted.
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Here is one of the administrator's blogs http://www.unsri-heimet.blogspot.com/
Hi Samantha,
Many thanks for the info. I have sent the fellow an e-mail, with a cc. to our Ed. So we shall see what develops.
He is in the EU so legal action (for those who can afford it) is possible.
Thanks again!
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Carol, I was talking about suggested solutions and my personal impressions. I was not talking about your articles but I was taling about my specific experience as you asked for it. If what you wanted was a rant about someone stealing your articles, and then people to support you while you ranted, you should have just ranted. And then ingored most of the men because they don't understand that women don't want solutions when they are ticked, they want to rant first. Solutions come after they cool down.
So I understand you are angry about your work being stolen. At this point all you can do is write to the people to ask them to stop. If you don't sue people becuase of your religious beleifs, well then I am sorry but your hands are tied. The only solution I can see to this mess is for Digital Journal to make it so you can't copy/paste from the website, but honestly that restricts the free flow of ideas and doesn't support what Journalism is about. That is why I suggested Alex putting in a share button that automatically copies to a person's clip board a blurb and a link as well as make it so DJ is write protected.
You obvioulsy think people need to be outraged about this. Some people are just happy that their tiny voice is getting heard, which gives them more readers, which in the end makes them more money. You are well established so you see this from a different angle than someone who is just starting out. So please don't get mad at them and feel they have injured you in some way.They have done nothing to you, the theives did.
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OK Sam this is funny because it's true. :) And then ingored most of the men because they don't understand that women don't want solutions when they are ticked, they want to rant first. Solutions come after they cool down.
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@ ■ Cynthia Trowbridge
OK Sam this is funny because it's true. :) And then ingored most of the men because they don't understand that women don't want solutions when they are ticked, they want to rant first. Solutions come after they cool down.
lol thanks. I know Carol is upright pissed right now. I think all us galls have been there.
Carol would you like me to help you contact the people who are stealing your work? You know I am tenacious about this kind of stuff.
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I was talking to a man a few days ago about MEN.
He said women are really unfair to them. He said "" If a woman asks does this dress make me look fat" a man is in a no win situation. If he says yes then he is in big trouble but if he tries to avoid conflict by saying something positive like "Oh no dear, that dress hides the fat very well" then, for some reason, women are STILL mad at him"
I have been laughing about that for days. Poor dears that just don't seem to have a clue.
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@ ■ Cynthia Trowbridge
I was talking to a man a few days ago about MEN.
He said women are really unfair to them. He said "" If a woman asks does this dress make me look fat" a man is in a no win situation. If he says yes then he is in big trouble but if he tries to avoid conflict by saying something positive like "Oh no dear, that dress hides the fat very well" then, for some reason, women are STILL mad at him"
I have been laughing about that for days. Poor dears that just don't seem to have a clue.
Serious side? Yes, Carol is really annoyed and she probably knows she went a little over the top on those with a different point of view, but who doesn't do that sometimes? No big deal.
Cynthia and Sammy,
Your slanderous anti-man campaign is being monitored.
Revenge shall be pitiless and decisive.
lol!
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I am upset that this kind of thing happens at all! Are these other news sources even monitoring what is going on? I thought there was a way you could 'trace' whether it was plagiarized material or not. I have heard of it, however, are these other sources even using these tools? Are they aware if they leave it 'unchecked' the news agency or source hosting the site could be liable?
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here is his e-mail info@unsri-heimet.eu
Hi,
Well, I wrote to this fella this morning, and here it's this evening and no reply. I'll wait a bit of course, but in the meantime, any ideas?
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@ ■ Christopher Szabo
Hi,
Well, I wrote to this fella this morning, and here it's this evening and no reply. I'll wait a bit of course, but in the meantime, any ideas?
Hire a hacker to take down the forum?
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I just think DJ should have the same kind of wording on this site as is on others, which prohibits taking the entirety of anyone's work. I haven't seen that statement anywhere, and other news sites have it. That would help.
I am not mad at the contributors but at the situation. I also recognize newbies like flattery, but what happens is that it affects the industry when many people think flattery is a good exchange for someone's theft. It makes the field look amateurish, and it is happening all around the net. These days if you are a popular 16-year-old you can get a million hits by talking about your boyfriend while putting on lipstick. Quite sincerely, I have seen that on YouTube, and articles that wouldn't pass freshman English get thumbs up and plenty because popularity was the byword. All those things we all live with. What we shouldn't live with is plagiarism, and I am doing my part with a software program to scout them. I am simply asking others uncover theirs as well and alert people and that DJ put up a strong statement that other sites have and accept that as some responsibility.
That would be plenty. I am not asking for heaps of help, just the recognition this is happening to many people (I have found plagiarism of other people's work here). I just think the writers on DJ, my colleagues, are too good not to be fully paid for their expertise.
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I obviously wrote to these sites before asking advice or similar experience. If writing to them had been enough, I wouldn't have asked. But DJ needs to have a statement on this website, otherwise people presume cutting and pasting is okay because there are plenty of people who fill up their blogs that way. But most news sites have clearly spelled out rules not to do that. DJ also needs that spelled out.
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I just think DJ should have the same kind of wording on this site as is on others, which prohibits taking the entirety of anyone's work. I haven't seen that statement anywhere, and other news sites have it. That would help.
I do agree with this. Eds, what about this? Or something similar. A notice along the lines of: "DJ's articles are copyright protected, we allow use of one paragraph and a link to the article. If you want to use the article in its entirety, contact .... at ...... What do you think, gentlemen?
(You can see I've been hanging out with the Navy!)
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