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Humans Affect the Environment

Posted Apr 3, 2008 by  Bob Ewing in Environment 10 comments
Humans affect the ecosystems they inhabit. This effect can be either harm or help the ecosystem and that is where choice comes in.

Humans can behave in a way the mimics Nature, of which they are a part, or they can deny that relationship and attempt to create their own reality. Once again, choice is available.

Our society appears to have chosen to behave as though the connection to Nature does not exist and that we can do as we please with no consequences.
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  • skeptikool Posted Apr 3, 2008 by  skeptikool
    #1
    Let me be so arrogant as to suggest that nature may even be helped. Incredible to me, is the "visual blight" argument against wind turbines, for instance. I see them transforming a barren seascape into a thing of beauty. And the bases of the turbines can be designed to serve as artificial reefs - a benign production of power while providing refuge for multiple aquatic species.
  • avatar Posted Apr 3, 2008 by  Bob Ewing
    #2
    I do not know if helped is the correct word but enhanced at least from an human concept of beauty , although I do like coastlines, even bleak ones.
  • sumdume Posted Apr 3, 2008 by  sumdume
    #3
    Let me be so arrogant as to suggest that nature may even be helped. Incredible to me, is the "visual blight" argument against wind turbines, for instance. I see them transforming a barren seascape into a thing of beauty. And the bases of the turbines can be designed to serve as artificial reefs - a benign production of power while providing refuge for multiple aquatic species.


    As they say beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Many would argue that there is no barren seascape.
    I suggest that they find ways to place the wind and solar generation units in urban areas. There are 3 main benefits to this. First, the landscape will not be impacted (it looks like $#(( now). Secondly, it will prevent impact to our vanishing rural landscapes. The final and perhaps most important reason is that it will reduce the cost of energy transmission to the consumers. The savings created by locating the generators in urban area will come from the reduction in energy lost when transmitting energy over long distances, reduction in the amount of materials needed to transmit energy (wires, poles, etc.).

    The construction of facilities in water is never benign! Every activity has an effect upstream, downstream, and at the location. Therefore the construction of artificial reefs may provide significant benefits and disadvantages simultaneously.
  • skeptikool Posted Apr 3, 2008 by  skeptikool
    #4
    I disagree on a few points, sumdume.

    I don't doubt that similar arguments preceded the construction of the Prairie granaries, yet have not some of those remaining acquired "heritage" status? They are have certainly become popular with artists.

    Agreed, you produce your power as closely as possible to its end-use, or grid, but you position your wind turbines where they best perform. As long as electricity is produced by nuclear power or fossil fuels, obstructed views from wind farms seem of minimal importance.

    Having seen clusters of barnacles and mussels attached to creosoted pilings, I have no fear that a wind turbine's underwater footing of concrete will be harmful at all.
  • skeptikool Posted Apr 3, 2008 by  skeptikool
    #5
    A few pictures might help. Perhaps others have some that they like - or not:

    http://yarmouthcounty.com/album/thumbnails.php?album=7
  • avatar Posted Apr 3, 2008 by  Bob Ewing
    #6
    I like the look of windmills. An environmental impact assesment is essential once a site has been chosen, if that comes up go, then I'm pretty much ok with the location.
  • sumdume Posted Apr 4, 2008 by  sumdume
    #7
    I like the look of windmills when they are in a landscape that is already marred by the hands of humans. The vast unspoiled landscapes of Wyoming and other remote areas of the west do not benefit from the blight of windmills.

    As I said "it's in the eye of the beholder"
  • sumdume Posted Apr 4, 2008 by  sumdume
    #8
    Agreed, you produce your power as closely as possible to its end-use, or grid, but you position your wind turbines where they best perform.


    They should be located where they get optimal performance. It seems to me that many cities around the U.S. have enough wind to generate electricity. If I recall correctly, the proposed Giants/Jets stadium was designed to have wind turbines built into the structure.
  • sumdume Posted Apr 4, 2008 by  sumdume
    #9
    As long as electricity is produced by nuclear power or fossil fuels, obstructed views from wind farms seem of minimal importance.


    Those facilities are currently located in or near urban areas. The landscape of these areas is already altered.

    Why do we need to ruin all of the magnificent vistas of our country?
  • skeptikool Posted Apr 4, 2008 by  skeptikool
    #10
    @ sumdume
    Those facilities are currently located in or near urban areas. The landscape of these areas is already altered.

    Why do we need to ruin all of the magnificent vistas of our country?


    But surely, one of the major objects of producing "cleaner" electricity is to replace those nuclear and coal-burning facilities - even those using natural gas. At the very least, reliance on them can be reduced.

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