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article imageOpinion: Alien contact? Yes, according to Apollo 14 astronaut Mitchell

Posted Jul 23, 2008 by  Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh) in Science | 28 comments | 3807 views
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According to Edgar Mitchell, actual alien contact was made 60 years ago, and has been covered up since. This wouldn’t surprise many people, who’ve been quite unconvinced by official denials since World War Two.
The Daily Telegraph, quoting Mitchell’s interview on Kerrang! radio:

"It's been well covered up by all our governments for the last 60 years or so, but slowly it's leaked out and some of us have been privileged to have been briefed on some of it.

"I've been in military and intelligence circles, who know that beneath the surface of what has been public knowledge, yes - we have been visited. Reading the papers recently, it's been happening quite a bit."

The interviewer said that Mitchell “seemed absolutely serious” about his statements.

On the positive side he also said they weren't hostile, and if they were, "we'd be gone by now".

NASA said it didn’t agree with Mitchell, and wasn’t in the business of looking for aliens.

A bit of history:

The whole idea of alien contact has had a lot of scrutiny from people with actual brains, not just pedants. One school of thought says we should be extremely careful in any sort of contact, because we don't know what the risks are. The other says we've been broadcasting our presence for 80 years, and we wouldn't be hard to find, so we're worrying after the fact.

The cover up idea is much less clear cut. A lot has happened in those 60 years, and the global culture is now very different.

The cover up approach is based on a few premises, which were widely debated in the 50s and 60s. The believers in UFO and alien visitations were skeptical, to euphemize total disbelief, of government denials about aliens and UFOs.

The arguments for a cover up run like this:

1. Culture shock. If aliens are so much more advanced, we’d be like the indigenous peoples in the colonial period, our civilization would fall to pieces. That'd be a shame...
2. Panic was another argument. After Orson Welles’ War of the Worlds, the fear was of civil disruption. Several generations since, which have had the option of being obliterated by good ‘ol nukes, have been asking what there is to panic about. But what would they know?
3. Technological advantages. Finding bits of UFO, and all sorts of secret information. Not unreasonable, but in terms of leaking like a thousand sieves, technology is hard to hide, when used.
4. Sheer abuse of the right of the public to information, based on an arbitrary decision from someone 60 years ago. Denial is next to Godliness, Little Green Men Are Communists, God Hates Aliens, other sputum, McCarthy era thinking, etc. This is the lower end of the cover up spectrum, the part that serves no useful purpose.

Points 1-3 would have made some sort of sense 60 years ago. Point 4 is pretty much the power broker motif. That tends to annoy so many people so much that anyone with enough information, if confronted with that motif, would have done everything they could to release all the data they could.

The argument against a cover up is basically that nobody elected anyone to keep them in the dark about something that affects the future of the entire human race.

That's legally true, and the Official Secrets Act in any democracy isn't really supposed to be a license to withhold information which of itself the public has a legitimate right to know.

The public could reasonably claim that if they found a few million hitherto non-existent aliens wandering around, they should know how to deal with the situation.

Then there's those reactionary people who feel that they shouldn't be vilified and called crazy for reporting what they saw, when the government was in a position to prove them to be telling the truth. The need to know is sometimes based on a real need.

It's an abuse of the Act to willfully withhold information without a better reason than "we felt like it". There would need to be a very good reason within the powers of the authority exercising its powers under the Act.

So Mitchell’s very much lower key approach may well have some sort of basis in fact, if, and I emphasize the “if”, here, any rational thought has ever been applied to the subject since 1940-something. A cover up, however useless it may appear to us, might have had some sort of working logic, then. Now, it’s flying in the face of science and observation.

Never mind hoaxes, Revelations from Roswell, (they looked like store dummies to me, no muscular differentiation) and transparent debunking missions from people with documentaries production companies and a lack of ethics.

Denial means very little. Most criminals deny committing crimes. That doesn’t make them innocent, it just means someone has to discover the facts.

It only takes one authenticated, verifiable, incident, to prove intelligent life on other worlds. Tens of thousands of people have seen things which they continue to claim, despite actual abuse and threats, were real UFOs.

I’ll reserve judgment on Mitchell’s comments. He’s in a position to make statements like that with some authority from his career, which is where the credibility cuts in.

Science requires verification of any statement, however, which is where the data has to start proving itself.

The most unusual thing about this information is how the Daily Telegraph handles its survey. They’ve gone from the normal Yes/No about Do You Believe In Aliens? to a three tier question, with two Yes options, based on a cover up or no cover up, and a No option.

Has plausibility reared its frightful head in tabloid media?

We wait, agog.
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  • Sylvie Posted Jul 23, 2008 by  Sylvie
    #1
    Maybe going out into space scrambles people's brains.
  • avatar Posted Jul 23, 2008 by  Gar Swaffar
    #2
    Denial is next to Godliness, Little Green Men Are Communists, God Hates Aliens, other sputum, McCarthy era thinking, etc.


    I would be willing to agree with that portion, except I believe the aliens are actually liberals, they have infiltrated government at every level and that is the reason for the cover up, nobody would want an actual (extraterrestrial) liberal in elected office.

    good article BTW.

    p.s. It is entirely possiible Lensman67 is one of the aliens also.
  • avatar Posted Jul 24, 2008 by  KeithLDick
    #3
    Nice views on the subject Paul.

    Myself, I have to say: if we are the only ones in the entire Universe then it's a Hell of a Waste of Real Estate!

    Kidding aside and looking at the current situation around this world that is in such a poor state of affairs, I would welcome any E.T. that would like to stop by and tell the world leaders that it is time to start thinking about Mother Earth and everything that lives on it and not on Who can conquer who, who has the most power and who has the most money.

    The people that have all of the above will DIE just like any form of life on this planet. Sure they will secure the future of all or most of their offspring but will any of those do anything to secure the future of theirs?.

    Probably not.

    It just seems these days, "Money, Power, Etc." and the possibility of being remembered in History is the only priority that "Most People that have these" want and no one can get in their way to achieve that goal.

    We Can Not Live Forever, so why not do what we can do, the best for everyone, everywhere?.

    Last time I was aware, we the thinking beings of this planet were considered "Human"...

    Lately, I have to doubt that word "Human".
  • avatar Posted Jul 24, 2008 by  Saikat Basu (Maverick)
    #4
    I bet Earth is just a petridish for alien experimentation. Their's a theory like that going around for ages too. And simple mathematical probability suggests we would be making contact within the next 25 years or so.
  • avatar Posted Jul 24, 2008 by  pbrite
    #5
    A friend of mine believes that the aliens that visit aren't from the future but the past. They are here getting resources they need to survive in the past.
  • avatar Posted Jul 24, 2008 by  Vinay Chand
    #6
    i think the entire broadcasting idea was the most horrible decision ever taken in human history. even if there is an alien race or several races we don't know of in space, the possibilities could be endless. They could be hostile, a race demanding domination. or making this planet their playgrounds. Or they could even be friendly, and still use us as tools for their own gains. What their motive might be when they finally make themselves visible, doesn't matter! But broadcasting ourselves everywhere in space, making our presence and exact location known to anyone or anything out there makes no sense either!
  • Hammster Posted Jul 24, 2008 by  Hammster
    #7
    Perhaps the GLM can tell us if the earth is flat or hollow, and if the the moon ismade of green cheez. :)
  • avatar Posted Jul 24, 2008 by  Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh)
    #8
    @ Sylvie
    Maybe going out into space scrambles people's brains.


    Although they seem to be able to do a pretty good job of that just going to work....
  • avatar Posted Jul 24, 2008 by  Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh)
    #9
    @ pbrite
    A friend of mine believes that the aliens that visit aren't from the future but the past. They are here getting resources they need to survive in the past.


    Perfectly logical. That way, they won't need them later.
  • avatar Posted Jul 24, 2008 by  Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh)
    #10
    @ Hammster
    Perhaps the GLM can tell us if the earth is flat or hollow, and if the the moon ismade of green cheez. :)


    Brie, I'd say.
  • avatar Posted Jul 24, 2008 by  Chris V. (cgull)
    #11
    I hope they are able to provide some evidence. There were taped recordings during the Apollo flights that revealed there might be some strange objects flying near their space vehicles.
  • avatar Posted Jul 24, 2008 by  Aditi Chengappa
    #12
    @ Gar Swaffar
    I would be willing to agree with that portion, except I believe the aliens are actually liberals, they have infiltrated government at every level and that is the reason for the cover up, nobody would want an actual (extraterrestrial) liberal in elected office.

    good article BTW.

    p.s. It is entirely possiible Lensman67 is one of the aliens also.
    ------ LOLOLOLOL !!!
  • avatar Posted Jul 24, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #13
    I've previously heard of this story, and he's not the only one out there with the prestige that has seen UFOs. Many airplane pilots have also seen strange things, but are told to keep quite or told that it was something that it really wasn't.
  • avatar Posted Jul 24, 2008 by  pbrite
    #14
    Soul Coughing has the best song about aliens. It's called "Unmarked Helicopters". It's on the first X-Files soundtrack which is one of THE best soundtracks ever next to Purple Rain and The Crow.
  • avatar Posted Jul 24, 2008 by  Chris V. (cgull)
    #15
    @ Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh)
    Perfectly logical. That way, they won't need them later.
    LOL
  • Anon1984 Posted Jul 24, 2008 by  Anon1984
    #16
    I personally believe that there is extraterrestrial life in the universe.
    There are more galaxies in the universe than grains of sand on every beach in the world combined so probability says its almost 100% certain. However, I am sceptical as to the visitation of said aliens to earth. The statement that we broadcasting ourselves to the universe through radio signals works both ways due to the fact that there are several key technologies that any developed society would employ as they advance.
    Therefore, it is likely that any advanced society living within a few hundred light years of earth would have been detected through their own signals. This is going off our own rate of advancement, assuming that signals are broadcast for roughly 100+ years before any kind of faster than light travel is achieved.
    This is not definitive proof that they havnt visited us; however, it does suggest that if they had they would have to come from very great distances indeed. Therefore, it is less likely they would have detected our own radio signals as they would have to travel within 80 light years of earth in the first place.
  • avatar Posted Jul 24, 2008 by  Whitdawg
    #17
    @ pbrite
    A friend of mine believes that the aliens that visit aren't from the future but the past. They are here getting resources they need to survive in the past.

    And ... mmm ... what medication is your friend currently enjoying ... and where do I get some ?
  • Sadiq Green (Spolitics) Posted Jul 24, 2008 by  Sadiq Green (Spolitics)
    #18
    A wonderful piece on the eve of the new X-Files Movie. I Believe!!
  • avatar Posted Jul 24, 2008 by  Gar Swaffar
    #19
    @ Vinay Chand
    i think the entire broadcasting idea was the most horrible decision ever taken in human history. -----------But broadcasting ourselves everywhere in space, making our presence and exact location known to anyone or anything out there makes no sense either!


    I've done some reading on the history of broadcasting pioneers and the thoughts they had about the advantages of a broadcast medium. I don't remember anything regarding whether they considered the outcome of long term broadcasting or if they even understood the signals would travel for the distances they seem to do.
  • avatar Posted Jul 24, 2008 by  Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh)
    #20
    @ KeithLDick
    Nice views on the subject Paul.

    Myself, I have to say: if we are the only ones in the entire Universe then it's a Hell of a Waste of Real Estate!

    Kidding aside and looking at the current situation around this world that is in such a poor state of affairs, I would welcome any E.T. that would like to stop by and tell the world leaders that it is time to start thinking about Mother Earth and everything that lives on it and not on Who can conquer who, who has the most power and who has the most money.

    The people that have all of the above will DIE just like any form of life on this planet. Sure they will secure the future of all or most of their offspring but will any of those do anything to secure the future of theirs?.

    Probably not.

    It just seems these days, "Money, Power, Etc." and the possibility of being remembered in History is the only priority that "Most People that have these" want and no one can get in their way to achieve that goal.

    We Can Not Live Forever, so why not do what we can do, the best for everyone, everywhere?.

    Last time I was aware, we the thinking beings of this planet were considered "Human"...

    Lately, I have to doubt that word "Human".



    It's statistically not even remotely possible we're the only people in the universe. Which is a nice break for the universe, if nothing else. Imagine, having all that out there, and getting lumbered with a species who sees it all and thinks "Nice place to find some parking".

    I think the word "Human" has been devalued to the point of absurdity, and you've explained well how that happened.
  • Sylvain Posted Jul 25, 2008 by  Sylvain
    #21
    People if you want proof why don't you all go to www.disclosureproject.org
    Or if you can't read
    go to google video and search "disclosure project"
    Edgar Mitchell is not the only one and he being saying that for YEARS! Diclosure have ALL the proof needed but the Mass Media are corrupt they are sensoring them for YEARS! You all being brain washing by the Mass Media since your birth, wake up people!
  • Sylvain Posted Jul 25, 2008 by  Sylvain
    #22
    @ Anon1984
    I personally believe that there is extraterrestrial life in the universe.
    There are more galaxies in the universe than grains of sand on every beach in the world combined so probability says its almost 100% certain. However, I am sceptical as to the visitation of said aliens to earth. The statement that we broadcasting ourselves to the universe through radio signals works both ways due to the fact that there are several key technologies that any developed society would employ as they advance.
    Therefore, it is likely that any advanced society living within a few hundred light years of earth would have been detected through their own signals. This is going off our own rate of advancement, assuming that signals are broadcast for roughly 100+ years before any kind of faster than light travel is achieved.
    This is not definitive proof that they havnt visited us; however, it does suggest that if they had they would have to come from very great distances indeed. Therefore, it is less likely they would have detected our own radio signals as they would have to travel within 80 light years of earth in the first place.


    You think EXACTLY like a Creationist. In REAL science of evolution intelligence alien life would have started existing since the UNIVERS exist not when OUR planet existed. They are ETs who have being travelling space for BILLIONS of years now!
  • Anon1984 Posted Jul 25, 2008 by  Anon1984
    #23
    @ Sylvain
    You think EXACTLY like a Creationist. In REAL science of evolution intelligence alien life would have started existing since the UNIVERS exist not when OUR planet existed. They are ETs who have being travelling space for BILLIONS of years now!


    I'm not sure where exactly you got that idea, the universe itself did not spontaneously create life as soon as it came into existence. I know a fair bit about the creation of the universe having done a BSc in Physics with Astrophysics and an MSc in Nuclear Astrophysics so I can assure you that I do not assume that all life in the universe existed from the moment the earth did.
    The point I was trying to get accross was that the distances involved are vast, therefore, if you think about all the star systems, nebulae etc between us and any race within even 1000 light years its a massive amount of territory to explore.
    Therefore, even if a race has been around for billions of years they would have to cover massive distances and they would only have been able to find us through our signals in the last 80 years.
    Also, given that the solar system is in one of the spiral arms of our galaxy we are further away from the core which is where a lot of the oldest stars formed and possible societies would have developed.
    Again, this is not to say they couldn't or even haven't found us, I am merely illustrating some of the problems they would face that make it less likely.
    The last point I will make is that given the points mentioned above it is even more unlikely that any aliens would come from outside of our galaxy. This is due to the immense distances involved, even if they had existed for billions of years, it would likely take that sort of time to explore 1 galaxy let alone 2 or more.
  • Tony Ryan Posted Jul 27, 2008 by  Tony Ryan
    #24
    Well thought out, anon1984.

    Re NASA: I can only presume the authenticity of the following; but...

    In 1991 I was asked to summarise my attitude to UFOs and ET visitations.

    Logic virtually demands the existence of intelligent life elsewhere.

    However, my response was that if ETs had the technology and knowledge to know us, this technology would surpass any need to actually visit us. Physical contact would be superfluous; and communication pointless and obviously counter-productive; at least until democratic consensus rules this planet.

    My interrogator told me that the then head of NASA expressed an identical opinion. The credentials were impressive.

    So much for glorious conspiracy theories. Worry about real problems fellas... like a megalomaniacal and economically-suicidal US President attacking Iran. Or worse, supporting the religious fanatics who run Israel doing the same.

    Tony Ryan
  • kate sisco Posted Jul 28, 2008 by  kate sisco
    #25
    Well, after this 'fantasy' writing that is replacing good science fiction any new theory would be welcome.

    Just last week I was surprised about a prehistoric human fossil find that was described as being large-brained with child-like features. They are given the name 'Boskop.' News to me; makes me think about Orson Wells in his cottage on the English shore writing 1984. He is supposed to have commented that he considered titling it 1948, the year he finished it. The reason this idea comes to mind is that I would have remembered this 'find' had it been reported and in my college books before I graduated in 1998. So, maybe there is a (little) lot of 'historic revisionism' going on. Just haven't seen the job description listed yet which makes me think that it is an assignment ala 1984.

    And let's not stop here. Let's look at Oklo, the Mars Cydonia complex, the amazing theory that the Cheops pyramid (the first and best) was built to process plutonium.

    Let's consider geology: we are no longer sliding west, strangely we seem to have stopped in violation of sea-floor spreading, plate tectonics, etc. And physics doesn't seem to be able to get past the omission of 'ether' and is going to revisit this historic fact although we are going to know it as 'dark something or other.'
  • avatar Posted Jul 29, 2008 by  Michael Squires
    #26
    I go with the stats that we can't be alone. But....do any of you in DJ land have any stats on whether photos of UFOs has increased or decreased since just about everyone on this little green planet has a camera in their cell phones?

    Just wondering...
  • avatar Posted Jul 29, 2008 by  Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh)
    #27
    @ Michael Squires
    I go with the stats that we can't be alone. But....do any of you in DJ land have any stats on whether photos of UFOs has increased or decreased since just about everyone on this little green planet has a camera in their cell phones?

    Just wondering...


    Michael, from observation, people with cell phones don't even notice oncoming traffic. Statistically, about 120% of all known cell phone freaks aren't aware of life on this planet, including their own. They're more likely to take pictures of themselves, which may count as aliens, but somehow aren't quite the same thing.
  • avatar Posted Jul 29, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #28
    @ Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh)
    Michael, from observation, people with cell phones don't even notice oncoming traffic. Statistically, about 120% of all known cell phone freaks aren't aware of life on this planet, including their own. They're more likely to take pictures of themselves, which may count as aliens, but somehow aren't quite the same thing.


    Oh Paul...that comment was priceless! LMAO!

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