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Posted Jul 18, 2008 by  Chris Hogg in Internet | 13 comments | 3362 views
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DigitalJournal.com has learned Rogers-Yahoo rolled out a new feature for Web users that's bound to get mixed reviews. The service hijacks browser search results, killing one of Firefox's greatest features. You can disable it, but only if you're a pc whiz.

Digital Journal -- If you're a Rogers-Yahoo customer in Canada, you might have noticed a change with the way your Internet browsers behave. DigitalJournal.com has learned Rogers implemented a new service today that forces its search results onto Web users.

Rogers' new Web service is meant to help Net users who mis-type website URLs in the address bar, so if you type "digitaljournak.com" instead of "digitaljournal.com" you are automatically redirected to a Rogers-Yahoo sponsored page that lists search results for the item you were likely searching for.

On the Rogers-sponsored search page, users are treated to a cluster of text advertisements above search results, as well as a 300x250 self-promotional ad for Rogers-owned magazines such as Hello or Flare, for example.

The service will no doubt be touted as help for anyone who is frustrated when they see a "page not found" error, however it also kills one of the greatest features of the Firefox and Safari browsers.

If you're a Firefox user, the browser allows you to type a simple word like "facebook" or "wikipedia" into the address bar without having to type "http://" or "www." or even the ".org" part and it will take you directly to that site. Firefox uses Google's search by default so when you enter a phrase like "digitaljournal" or "techcrunch" in the address bar, it searches in seconds behind the scenes and automatically redirects you to DigitalJournal.com or TechCrunch.com and loads the page (it works using Google's "I'm feeling lucky" feature). As an avid Web user, this feature saves me a great deal of time because I never need to remember the finicky ".com" or ".org" suffix.

Furthermore, Firefox also lets users make simple search queries through the address bar on the page, so you can type "wiki dark knight" in the address bar, and it automatically takes you right to Wikipedia's entry about the new film that is in theatres today. You don't have to go to Google or Yahoo search and enter the search string and then click on the results -- it does it all automatically for you in Firefox (Safari also has this feature, and Internet Explorer will usually take you to Google or MSN search results pages by default).

Screenshot by DigitalJournal.com
Rogers-Yahoo made a change today to all their Internet subscribers so if you mis-type a website URL you are automatically redirected to a Rogers-sponsored search page. You have to opt-out if you don't want the service.
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Rogers' new search service, however, has killed these features in Firefox and does not allow Rogers-Yahoo customers to perform this action in the browser. In DigitalJournal.com's testing of Firefox 2 and 3, Safari 3 and Internet Explorer 6 (on both Mac and PC platforms), Rogers pushes its own search on every browser. There is a way to turn off this feature, but I would not be surprised if your average soccer mom or grandpa bangs their head against the wall when they hear they have to change their DNS settings. "What is a DNS setting," you ask? Exactly my point.

Rogers told DigitalJournal.com they are offering this service based on customer feedback in an effort to enhance customers' Web surfing experience. The company also says it's not doing anything different by redirecting users to their own corporate-sponsored search results pages, and that companies such as Cox Communications, Time Warner, and Charter Communications are already doing this in the U.S.

"We introduced supported search results to eliminate error pages and provide helpful search results based on what a customer is looking for, and a customer can decide whether they want this feature or not and can opt-out at any time," said Nancy Cottenden, Director of Communications for Rogers Cable, in an interview with DigitalJournal.com.

Cottenden said Rogers-Yahoo will be paying close attention to feedback from Rogers-Yahoo customers and the company is doing its best to find an optimal solution for all Web users.

While I give Rogers credit for their willingness to listen to customers, I have to say the opt-out process is cumbersome and frustrating. There are two ways to deal with this feature, and of course the complicated way is the only effective one:

The opt-out method that is useless:

Click on the "Learn more about this page" on the bottom right of the search results page.

Screenshot by DigitalJournal.com
Rogers-Yahoo made a change today to all their Internet subscribers so if you mis-type a website URL you are automatically redirected to a Rogers-sponsored search page. You have to opt-out if you don't want the service.
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After you've disabled this feature, you are taken to a page where small italic font reads: "If you delete your cookies, or use a program that deletes cookies, you will have to repeat this process every time your cookies are deleted."

So that means Firefox users who habitually clear their cache and cookies after each browsing session will have to turn off the Rogers search results page every single time they use the Internet. And if you turn off this feature, you will get a "page cannot be displayed" error every time you try to revert back to normal Firefox browsing.

The complicated, frustrating method that 95% of people won't be able to do:

Rogers has set up an FAQ regarding these changes in an effort to help users learn how to change their settings (it can be found here). The problem is, in order to change your DNS settings, you must know the IP address of another DNS server. Also, if you're a Mac user, Rogers doesn't even offer a tutorial that we could find.

Asking your average Web user to find and change their DNS server IP, in my opinion, is akin to a doctor asking a patient to hold the scalpel and remove her appendix on her own. Perhaps a bit of a hyperbole, indeed, but you get the point.

And the final icing on the cake: Rogers notes in the FAQ:
Rogers will provide technical support when the option “Obtain DNS server address automatically” is selected. Other DNS server addresses will not be supported.

So if you change your DNS settings and something goes wrong, you're on your own.
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  • avatar Posted Jul 18, 2008 by  Sykos Masters
    #1
    Thx for the heads-up Chris!!

    I haven't used Rogers DNS servers since the day after I got my cable dsl from them. Out here, they're buggy at best.

    For anyone looking for a good replacement:

    208.67.222.222
    208.67.220.220

    Both are free DNS servers that I found through googling for "free DNS server" =D
  • avatar Posted Jul 18, 2008 by  Chris Hogg
    #2
    @ Sykos Masters
    Thx for the heads-up Chris!!

    I haven't used Rogers DNS servers since the day after I got my cable dsl from them. Out here, they're buggy at best.

    For anyone looking for a good replacement:

    208.67.222.222
    208.67.220.220

    Both are free DNS servers that I found through googling for "free DNS server" =D

    I should note: Using a DNS server from a foreign city/country can result in a slower internet connection. It's a catch 22 because as far as I know, your ISP's DNS server (in this case Rogers) is almost always faster than a replacement.
  • avatar Posted Jul 18, 2008 by  Susan Duclos
    #3
    That is just wrong. So there is a useless fix and a fix that most of us will not be able to do... ummm, come on Chris, tell me there is something else we can do to bypass yahoo completely and make firefox go back to what is used to do?

    No way to go into the firefox main files on our computers and wipe yahoo out?
  • avatar Posted Jul 18, 2008 by  Chris Hogg
    #4
    @ Susan Duclos
    That is just wrong. So there is a useless fix and a fix that most of us will not be able to do... ummm, come on Chris, tell me there is something else we can do to bypass yahoo completely and make firefox go back to what is used to do?

    No way to go into the firefox main files on our computers and wipe yahoo out?

    So far Rogers has told me the DNS change is the only way to permanently get rid of this.

    Nancy Cottenden, Director of Communications for Rogers Cable, was very keen to understand my concerns about this and assured me Rogers would do its best to make this an easy transition for customers however right now I am not personally happy at all with this feature.

    This should be an opt-in service, not an opt-out service, IMO. I hope Rogers would consider that.

    Then again, I am most likely not a typical Internet user, so why should Rogers bend for me? I would consider myself an advanced Internet user who is technically inclined, so perhaps your average mom or pop would actually like this feature to help them find pages? I don't know...what do you guys think?

    It kills basic Firefox features for me so now I have to re-train myself to browse the Web and that is very frustrating.

    This is also a business move, as they have advertising all over their search results page.
  • avatar Posted Jul 18, 2008 by  Susan Duclos
    #5
    @ Chris Hogg
    So far Rogers has told me the DNS change is the only way to permanently get rid of this.

    Nancy Cottenden, Director of Communications for Rogers Cable, was very keen to understand my concerns about this and assured me Rogers would do its best to make this an easy transition for customers however right now I am not personally happy at all with this feature.

    This should be an opt-in service, not an opt-out service, IMO. I hope Rogers would consider that.

    Then again, I am most likely not a typical Internet user, so why should Rogers bend for me? I would consider myself an advanced Internet user who is technically inclined, so perhaps your average mom or pop would actually like this feature to help them find pages? I don't know...what do you guys think?

    It kills basic Firefox features for me so now I have to re-train myself to browse the Web and that is very frustrating.

    This is also a business move, as they have advertising all over their search results page.


    No, I like being brought directly to the sites I am aiming for thank you very much, not being "controlled". (I have control issues)

    Don't suppose you would consider updating with their contact information so those that wish to express their.....um.... feelings on the topic can have a word or two with them? (smiles sweetly)
  • Anna Borghese Posted Jul 18, 2008 by  Anna Borghese
    #6
    In the scheme of things, it could prove to be a cash cow for Mr. Rogers - the penny pincher.
  • avatar Posted Jul 18, 2008 by  Sheba
    #7
    Is Yahoo! so disparate for $ that it will enter into an unholy union with Rogers since it can't get what it wants from Micro Soft? Geez, I've always disliked Rogers (all monopolies really) now here's another reason do so.
  • horse k Posted Jul 19, 2008 by  horse k
    #8
    i created an account here just for this post.

    i really dislike rogers, and honestly, this is BS. I would like to talk to Nancy Cottenden, Director of Communications for Rogers Cable, and as her how the heck something as STUPID as this search feature 'helps' us customers and speeds up or eases our web-browsing.

    anyways, i am on a Mac running leopard. the fix was really easy for me. anyone else wondering how to do it:
    1. Go to System Preferences
    2. Click on Network
    3. Select "Airport" on the left (or whichever internet connection you are using)
    4. Click on Advanced
    5. Select DNS from the bar
    6. Add the following two DNS numbers: 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2
    7. (optional) i added google.com on the right menu, im sure this steph isnt necessary but everything is running smooth for me
    8. Click on OK and then Apply

    There you go, now you're all set and back to using Firefox the way it was designed to be used :D
  • avatar Posted Jul 19, 2008 by  Sykos Masters
    #9
    @ Chris Hogg
    I should note: Using a DNS server from a foreign city/country can result in a slower internet connection. It's a catch 22 because as far as I know, your ISP's DNS server (in this case Rogers) is almost always faster than a replacement.


    Very true Chris. I checked the connection stats b4 I started using these (they're in the U.S.) and have found no noticeable change ... but then I don't measure in mS like "power users" do .... ;P
  • avatar Posted Jul 19, 2008 by  Sykos Masters
    #10
    Just as a note .... Rogers has been using Yahell services for years. You may have noticed that your Rogers email is actually from Yahell, which presents real difficulties if one already has a Yahell ID. They haven't offered newsgroups feeds either in all the time I've had this account.
  • tonystep Posted Jul 19, 2008 by  tonystep
    #11
    Thank you, Chris, and thank you, users, for this excellent topic and comments. Not being a power user, i will keep up on this and apply what i safely can to maintain the best service i can as the solutions are improved. Great topic.
  • Alex Hawke Posted Aug 1, 2008 by  Alex Hawke
    #12
    @ horse k
    i created an account here just for this post.

    i really dislike rogers, and honestly, this is BS. I would like to talk to Nancy Cottenden, Director of Communications for Rogers Cable, and as her how the heck something as STUPID as this search feature 'helps' us customers and speeds up or eases our web-browsing.

    anyways, i am on a Mac running leopard. the fix was really easy for me. anyone else wondering how to do it:
    1. Go to System Preferences
    2. Click on Network
    3. Select "Airport" on the left (or whichever internet connection you are using)
    4. Click on Advanced
    5. Select DNS from the bar
    6. Add the following two DNS numbers: 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2
    7. (optional) i added google.com on the right menu, im sure this steph isnt necessary but everything is running smooth for me
    8. Click on OK and then Apply

    There you go, now you're all set and back to using Firefox the way it was designed to be used :D


    horse k - thank you for your post! Your tutorial was a huge help for a fellow Mac user.
    BTW: For those of you who would like to email your concerns to Nancy Cottenden, Director of Communications for Rogers Cable.... nancy.cottenden@rci.rogers.com.
  • Szuu Posted Aug 10, 2008 by  Szuu
    #13
    @ Chris Hogg
    This should be an opt-in service, not an opt-out service, IMO. I hope Rogers would consider that.


    This is Rogers, of course they don't understand.. remember the infamous 'negative billing option' fiasco of 1995?

    Anyhow, thank you so much for this information. It has been such a headache constantly having to deal with their paper-thin "opt-out" to rid myself from having to look at their sponsored and unhelpful searches only to be stuck with the "page cannot be displayed" page rather than my beloved firefox feature (and in IE7, just going straight into Google).

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