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Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  Bob Ewing in Food | 26 comments | 237 views
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According to groundbreaking new research, the reason that a beef burger tastes better than a veggie burger to some people has more to do with values than actual taste.
Which tastes better: a veggie burger or a burger made with beef? It all depends upon your values, according to a new research project that was just published in the Journal of Consumer Research.

The report's authors Michael W. Allen (University of Sydney), Richa Gupta (University of Nashville), and Arnaud Monnier (National Engineer School for Food Industries and Management, France) conducted a series of studies that examined the symbolic meaning of foods and beverages.

They discovered that what influenced participants was what they thought they had eaten rather than what they actually ate.

Meat has an association with social power, and people who scored high in the authors’ Social Power Value Endorsement measure believed that a meat-based item tasted better than a vegetarian alternative, even when both products were actually identical (one was misrepresented).

Similarly, participants who supported the values symbolized by Pepsi (Exciting Life, Social Power, and Recognition) gave a more favorable rating to the product they thought was Pepsi—even though they were drinking the low-price Woolworth cola.

The participants were informed they would taste either a beef sausage roll or a vegetarian alternative roll, and they would drink either a Pepsi or a Woolworth Homebrand cola. While, some received the item, they were told they would receive others. They then filled out a questionnaire about values and taste, along with their current food and soft drink consumption.

“Our present findings may have implications for efforts to promote better eating habits,” write the authors.

“Heavy meat eaters claim that they eat meat because it tastes better than other foods, such as meat substitutes. Our results challenge that claim. Participants who ate the vegetarian alternative did not rate the taste and aroma less favorably than those who ate the beef product. Instead, what influenced taste evaluation was what they thought they had eaten and whether that food symbolized values that they personally supported … strategies that might persuade heavy meat eaters to change their diet include changing the cultural associations of fruits and vegetables to encompass values that meat eaters endorse (e.g., power and strength), or challenging heavy meat eaters’ assumptions about what tastes good by using in-store (blind) taste tests or showing them results of studies such as this one.”
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  • avatar Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  lensman67
    #1
    Of course the same thing works in reverse. The taste buds of those who claim that they like the taste of vegetables is just as deceived by their personal values as are the buds of those who like meat.

    And the test is hardly conclusive now is it? I mean there is some wiggle room in the taste of a sausage but I doubt that anyone is going to be fooled by a vegetable substitute for prime rib or pork roast.

    It would be interesting (but very difficult) to see what would happen if the experiment were run in reverse. How many vegetarians would choose meat over vegetables if it weren't for their social values standing in the way of what their taste buds are telling them?
  • avatar Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  Chris V. (cgull)
    #2
    I tried Soya meat one year, it tastes almost like regular meat. Interesting study.
  • avatar Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  Bob Ewing
    #3
    @ Chris V. (cgull)
    I tried Soya meat one year, it tastes almost like regular meat. Interesting study.

    When it comes to veggie burgers in very much depends upon the burger some are not as good as others but then the same can be said of hamburgers.
  • avatar Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  Bob Ewing
    #4
    what their taste buds are telling them?
    How do you know it is the taste buds doing the talking?
  • avatar Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  lensman67
    #5
    @ Bob Ewing
    When it comes to veggie burgers in very much depends upon the burger some are not as good as others but then the same can be said of hamburgers.

    But the fact is that they are still "burgers" which is an inferior form of meat any way you slice it. The best burger in the world is but a pale shadow to a rack of baby back pork ribs.

    I would still like to see the effect on vegetarians of giving them a sausage or burger that claims to be veggie and instead is meat. If they think that it is veggie and end up preferring the meat product what are we then to conclude?

    The social values of vegetarians clouds their judgment just as often as those of meat eaters cloud theirs.
  • avatar Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  Bob Ewing
    #6
    The statement about values cuts both ways that is the point.

    and this is your opinion not a fact.

    The best burger in the world is but a pale shadow to a rack of baby back pork ribs.
  • avatar Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  Kim Ruiz (givemetruth)
    #7
    Doesn't the fat content in meat (and other foods) add to the flavor, which in turn makes people tend to like the taste of the fatty burger? I'm not opposed to eating a veggie burger vs. a real one if they taste good, although I haven't found they taste the same.

    We tried to "trick" our picky 8-yr old recently with a turkey burger (I know it's not veggie!), vs. a real burger, which he loves. Unfortunately, he could taste the difference and turned his nose up at the substitution.

    I would be curious to see how the taste test worked in a nation where high-fat meat consumption was less prevalent, say in Japan for example.
  • avatar Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  lensman67
    #8
    @ Bob Ewing
    The statement about values cuts both ways that is the point.

    and this is your opinion not a fact.


    THAT IS MY POINT! Your belief that a veggie burger tastes as good as a meat one is JUST your opinion.

    And, as I stated above, the values issue cuts both ways. A vegetarian who is feeling self righteous over their superior "morality" is no more likely to be correct in their judgment of taste than a meat eater who is being driven (in your opinion) by the values you ascribe to them.

    In short this "experiment" does not prove what its backers claim it proves.
  • avatar Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  Bob Ewing
    #9
    I would be curious to see how the taste test worked in a nation where high-fat meat consumption was less prevalent, say in Japan for example.
    That would be interesting to know.
  • avatar Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  Bob Ewing
    #10
    THAT IS MY POINT! Your belief that a veggie burger tastes as good as a meat one is JUST your opinion.
    actually i did not say that those are words you are attempting and failing to put into my mouth, try reading what you are critiquing.

    As for the rest your values are speaking for you as mine are for me and that validates the study..
  • avatar Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  lensman67
    #11
    @ Bob Ewing
    actually i did not say that those are words you are attempting and failing to put into my mouth, try reading what you are critiquing.

    As for the rest your values are speaking for you as mine are for me and that validates the study..

    Exactly. A vegetarian only thinks that what they are eating tastes good for the same reasons (albeit reversed) that a meat eater likes what they are eating.

    In both cased agenda, not taste, seems to be the deciding factor for many people.

    The study does not prove what it claims it proves.
  • avatar Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  Bob Ewing
    #12
    Which tastes better: a veggie burger or a burger made with beef? It all depends upon your values,
    this is a direct quote from the article. and the tilte; Personal Values Deceive Taste Buds Researchers Say so the study is bang on. thanks for dropping by.
  • avatar Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  Cynthia T. [Picasso]
    #13
    I still like a good beef burger sometimes and give me a Pepsi with it. No fries though.
  • G. Robert M. Miller Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  G. Robert M. Miller
    #14
    placebo effect eh... good article, as usual.
  • avatar Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  Bob Ewing
    #15
    @ G. Robert M. Miller
    placebo effect eh... good article, as usual.

    thanks.
  • avatar Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  Bob Ewing
    #16
    @ Cynthia T. [Picasso]
    I still like a good beef burger sometimes and give me a Pepsi with it. No fries though.

    a true North American meal.
  • avatar Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #17
    Mind over matter?
  • avatar Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  Bob Ewing
    #18
    @ Debra Myers (skyangel)
    Mind over matter?

    we can convince ourselves of many things.
  • avatar Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #19
    @ Bob Ewing
    we can convince ourselves of many things.


    True. However I still can't convince my mind that a veggie burger is better for me than a hamburger! (Hold the fats!)
  • avatar Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  lensman67
    #20
    There is a simple, scientific, way to prove which actually tastes better. Humans were originally scavengers, eating whatever they could get. As a survival trait they developed a taste for whichever foods would give them the most food value for the amount of energy expended in getting it.

    Ounce for ounce meat has more food value than any one plant on the planet. If a vegetarian and a meat eater were each restricted to the same amount of only ONE food the vegetarian would starve to death in a very short amount of time living on say chick peas alone whereas the meat eater could live quite well for years on meat alone.

    That is why humans developed a craving for meat and why they risked their lives hunting animals that could kill them instead of subsisting on the safe, non threatening, plants that were all around them.

    Meat tastes better to humans for the same reason that honey does, each contain a large amount of food value in a small package and each is valuable enough that humans will face the risks of hunting or the stings of bees to get to it.

    By reconstructing the feces from early villages and towns, such as Jericho, and cross referencing this information with the skeletons of the people who produced them we know that early humans lived long and healthy lives on diets that were 90 plus percent meat and that their health and longevity took a turn for the worse when they were forced to fall back on plant food.

    Of course modern meat is not nearly as healthy as the game our ancestors were living on but then the numerous different plants that vegetarians of today must consume in order to stay healthy were not available to our ancestors either.

    Given the choice most of our cousins, the great apes, will eat meat when they can get it and no one is claiming that they are only responding to ideas of status.

    So, bottom line, meat tastes better to humans because it contains the most amount of food value of any single food---more bang for the buck if you will.
  • avatar Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  Bob Ewing
    #21
    @ Debra Myers (skyangel)
    True. However I still can't convince my mind that a veggie burger is better for me than a hamburger! (Hold the fats!)

    I understand and it makes sense.
  • avatar Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  Nikki W (karateblossom)
    #22
    odd study! i love veggie burgers but the difference in taste is PROFOUND. meat has a specific taste. blood.

    tonight, i ate a beef burger. i would have opted for a veggie burger because it is better for me but it wasnt on the menu...plus my body loves beef at times.
  • avatar Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  lensman67
    #23
    @ Nikki W (karateblossom)
    odd study! i love veggie burgers but the difference in taste is PROFOUND. meat has a specific taste. blood.

    tonight, i ate a beef burger. i would have opted for a veggie burger because it is better for me but it wasnt on the menu...plus my body loves beef at times.

    Tonight I had a rack of baby back ribs and I defy anyone to prove that some bland, soggy vegetables taste even half as good. The only thing that could make a person think that vegetables taste as good as meat is ideology, which is deceiving their taste buds.
  • avatar Posted Jul 17, 2008 by  Cynthia T. [Picasso]
    #24
    @ lensman67
    Tonight I had a rack of baby back ribs and I defy anyone to prove that some bland, soggy vegetables taste even half as good. The only thing that could make a person think that vegetables taste as good as meat is ideology, which is deceiving their taste buds.


    Its been awhile since I have had baby back ribs. I used to fix them once or twice a month.

    Tonight I had a good buffet meal after my granddaughter's wedding rehearsal. It was at an Italian restaurant and the food was very good.
  • avatar Posted Jul 19, 2008 by  Aditi Chengappa
    #25
    I really like this article... silly me i hadn't seen it before i wrote mine!! as usual it seems lensman reeeallly loves his beef and burgers!! :P he can sure argue that out!! i wonder if he's guilty about it and therefore has to validate it with such a long defensive argument!! hee hee no offence to lensman whatsoever...!! great article!
  • avatar Posted Jul 19, 2008 by  Bob Ewing
    #26
    Thanks, Aditi.

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