Former Dutch PM accuses Israel of Terrorism

We tend to be rather selective in the use of the term, terrorism and may frequently not see an action as such - perhaps because committed by Israeli forces or, dare I say, U.S. Forces?

OK, phree, you lost me with the "Dutch Jimmy Carter" quote. When this guy was in power, he did nothing, he said nothing.

Let me ask a question, why do you go after Israel so hard when some Jewish settlers write things like "Arabs to the gas chambers" yet when the President of a country says things like erase Israel from the map of the Middle East, you defend him?

The reason I highlight "Jewish settlers" and "President" is obvious, I believe there is a huge difference between what these two different people are capable of doing.

@ skeptikool
We tend to be rather selective in the use of the term, terrorism and may frequently not see an action as such - perhaps because committed by Israeli forces or, dare I say, U.S. Forces?

It's not terrorism when we do it. It's shock and awe, fighting insurgents, ushering democracy, or protecting national security.

Let me ask a question, why do you go after Israel so hard when some Jewish settlers write things like "Arabs to the gas chambers" yet when the President of a country says things like erase Israel from the map of the Middle East, you defend him?

Because he didn't say that. Haven't you read about that yet?

He said, "the regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time". (talking about the current Zionist/racist/criminals in power...not all Jewish people or all Israeli's)

Phree, of course I have read how some choose to selectively interpret the Iranian's President's meaning. But honestly, you know exactly what he was referring to and it was not just the current regime.

Does the President of Iran support Hamas?

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it

Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement.

The question of the liberation of Palestine is bound to three circles: the Palestinian circle, the Arab circle and the Islamic circle. Each of these circles has its role in the struggle against Zionism. Each has its duties, and it is a horrible mistake and a sign of deep ignorance to overlook any of these circles.

These are but a few excerpts all taken from the Hamas Charter. Feel free to read how we cannot possibly live in peace and quiet all together unless we all live "under the wing of Islam".

Phree, of course I have read how some choose to selectively interpret the Iranian's President's meaning.

C'mon now. Its a simple translation from Farsi to English, it was the BBC who mistranslated it (specifically Andrew Marr), which they admitted too.

Does the President of Iran support Hamas?

I don't know if he does, would you like me to ask him? We can have discussions with him through his website. Yes he answers. He devotes at least 15 minutes of his time each week to engage in public discussions.

I will tell you that he should support Hamas.

I certainly do.

Hamas was voted in by the people. It was Hamas who just condemned Fatah militants for breaking the Egyptian brokered ceasefire.


Being anti-Zionist is being for equality, for the people, for Liberation, and for freedom.

You do realize that the Zionists currently in power, are racist, ethnic cleansing, terrorizing criminals, don't you? Because when you realize that (the truth) your views on everything else may change.

They are drawing similar parallels to the Nazi's. Yes, I said it again. It may be hard to swallow, but thats the way it is.