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Sen. Obama met in Chicago with 16 Democratic governors. They were there by invitation only to discuss the economy of the nation. Several there had been supporters of Clinton.
The 28 Democratic governors all received and invitation to meet with presidential hopeful Sen. Obama in a discussion in Chicago this morning. There were 16 in attendance including two who had backed Hillary Clinton, Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell and Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm.
The other governors in attendance Dave Freudenthal (WY), John Baldacci (ME), David Paterson (NY), Joe Manchin, III (WV), Ted Strickland (OH), Kathleen Sebelius (KS), Janet Napolitano (AZ), Jim Doyle (WS), Bill Richardson (NM), Martin O'Malley (MD), Christine Gregoire (WA), Jon Corzine (NJ), Mike Easley (NC) and Ted Kulongoski (OR).
Obama was seated at the center of a U-shaped table with the governors on either side of him. Those who were chosen to sit next to Obama were Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano and Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle
Even though the meeting was about the economy it was also intended to show the unity that is now present for the Democratic party. Having Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell and Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm attend helped to show party unity. Both of their states will be critical battleground states for the elections. They were also seated at the head table with Obama.
In his opening remarks Obama told the governors, " All of you, as governors, are dealing with these issues day in and day out. You're the ones who see the effects on families in your states each and every day."
Part of the reason Obama said the governors were brought together is he believes the governors require a focus on solutions rather than partisanship.
According to msnbc when Obama was talking about wanting to work closely with the governors during his campaign and during his administration he said, "I've always been struck by the essential common sense and pragmatism of governors in comparison to some of the stuff that goes on in Washington. You've gotta solve problems; ultimately the buck stops with you. You've gotta balance your budget. If you've got a badly drafted piece of legislation, you're the ones who have to live with it and as a consequence you end up spending less time posturing and trying to score ideological points and more time trying to govern. We need that same approach in Washington."
According to Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland when speaking about the loss of jobs in his state and other states, "We need a president who understands what's happening in America. I believe the current president is totally out of touch."
Some of the other concerns are Joe Manchin, III West Virginia's governor wanting more money to modernize coal technology. Kansas governor, Kathleen Sebelius, wants to have federal partnership on developing wind power.
Gov. Granholm from Michigan wants a trade policy that won’t let foreign countries lure American companies away to set up factories than can operate without environmental or safety standards
The Chicago Sun-Times reported Granholm saying, " As applied, NAFTA and CAFTA have given us the shafta.”
The Democratic governors are reported as saying they are looking forward to a Democrat in the White House that will work with them. They stated that not any of the previous Democratic presidential nominees had ever sought their input the way Obama’s campaign has.
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A very special thanks to Debra Myers (skyangel) for alerting me to this story.
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Gov. Granholm from Michigan wants a trade policy that won’t let foreign countries lure American companies away to set up factories than can operate without environmental or safety standards
LET companies be lured away? How stupid is this guy? As if they have or could have any say in where a company chooses to go. What are they going to do hold them hostage at gun point? lmfao -
@ RCB2875
LET companies be lured away? How stupid is this guy? As if they have or could have any say in where a company chooses to go. What are they going to do hold them hostage at gun point? lmfao
Gov. Jennifer Granholm is from the state of Michigan where I live.
I did not vote for her and I do not like her. IMO she has been responsible for a lot of the loss of jobs in this state.
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Yeah I am surprised that anyone in Michigan still has a business there. It looks like they have done a good job out of running jobs away from there.
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@ RCB2875
Yeah I am surprised that anyone in Michigan still has a business there. It looks like they have done a good job out of running jobs away from there.
Yep one mistake after another.
Things were so out of whack that Michigan was shut down for a few hours last year. -
@ RCB2875
LET companies be lured away? How stupid is this guy? As if they have or could have any say in where a company chooses to go. What are they going to do hold them hostage at gun point? lmfao
That is why this country needs massive tariffs! To keep American companies from shipping jobs overseas and expecting to be able to import the products made in environmentally damaging plants, with under paid workers, into this country without a penalty.
They MAY have a right to ship the jobs where ever they like but they DO NOT have a right to ship the products of those jobs into this country.
Historically tariffs were the number one source of income for the Federal government and it was the massive wall of tariffs that the US erected in the 19th century that helped turn this country into a world power.
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It will be easy to work around this. They just won't have the finished product shipped or the product can be made and labeled under a non-domestic company or different division for specific products. Another problem is that companies will just not produce certain products in the country if the competition is equal in quality and cheaper.
I will also add that if you add high tariffs to foreign products you just increase the shelf price and or limit selection and we can all go back to limited choices in products and the same will be for the quality.
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Well done, Cynthia! I knew that you would do the stosry justice!
What a joke this meeting seems to have been...and by invitation only? I'm not impressed with what was said!
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@ Debra Myers (skyangel)
Well done, Cynthia! I knew that you would do the stosry justice!
What a joke this meeting seems to have been...and by invitation only? I'm not impressed with what was said!
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@ lensman67
That is why this country needs massive tariffs! To keep American companies from shipping jobs overseas and expecting to be able to import the products made in environmentally damaging plants, with under paid workers, into this country without a penalty.
They MAY have a right to ship the jobs where ever they like but they DO NOT have a right to ship the products of those jobs into this country.
Historically tariffs were the number one source of income for the Federal government and it was the massive wall of tariffs that the US erected in the 19th century that helped turn this country into a world power.
Advocates of so called "free trade," as opposed to "fair trade" are the lackeys of the big corporations and traitors to the US.
Lensman stand up and take a bow that you sure do deserve from what you just said,
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@ Debra Myers (skyangel)
Well done, Cynthia! I knew that you would do the stosry justice!
What a joke this meeting seems to have been...and by invitation only? I'm not impressed with what was said!
Thanks Deb but you could have done it well also. -
@ RCB2875
It will be easy to work around this. They just won't have the finished product shipped or the product can be made and labeled under a non-domestic company or different division for specific products. Another problem is that companies will just not produce certain products in the country if the competition is equal in quality and cheaper.
I will also add that if you add high tariffs to foreign products you just increase the shelf price and or limit selection and we can all go back to limited choices in products and the same will be for the quality.
I for one am tired of inferior and poisoned products being shipped back here to the U.S. from places like China.
Limited choices would be better than all the cheap crap that comes from many foreign countries that do not have the standards that we have.
Leaded paint in products for babies and children, poison in our pet's foods. Loss of jobs and the list goes on and on.
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You would first have to remember that at the time we made good with those tariffs we were the producers and they were the consumers. Things have changed. Foreign companies have become more productive and with better quality than in the past with a greatly wider range from just the small stuff.
Installing tariffs from a country that is in economic decline and a weak dollar is suicide at this point.
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@ RCB2875
You would first have to remember that at the time we made good with those tariffs we were the producers and they were the consumers. Things have changed. Foreign companies have become more productive and with better quality than in the past with a greatly wider range from just the small stuff.
Installing tariffs from a country that is in economic decline and a weak dollar is suicide at this point.
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@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]
I for one am tired of inferior and poisoned products being shipped back here to the U.S. from places like China.
Limited choices would be better than all the cheap crap that comes from many foreign countries that do not have the standards that we have.
Leaded paint in products for babies and children, poison in our pet's foods. Loss of jobs and the list goes on and on.
If something isn't done we will sink close to the level of a third world country.
I feel a song coming on! ;o)
http://www.jibjab.com/originals/big_box_mart-
The led paint levels were blown way out of proportion. You would have had to of eaten a carton of toys to have even been able to see the led on a blood test. The poison is different but that stems from lack of oversight. The Unions and taxes are what have ran the companies off to other countries. People will still buy the cheaper foreign products before they buy higher local products. To compete we will have to place tariffs on all imported goods which will intern make the countries that we export to do the same which will kill our export which is where our companies make their money. So pick your poison I suppose.
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@ Samantha A. Torrence
Either way it sucketh. =)
You have that right Sam.
@ RCB2875
You would first have to remember that at the time we made good with those tariffs we were the producers and they were the consumers. Things have changed. Foreign companies have become more productive and with better quality than in the past with a greatly wider range from just the small stuff.
Installing tariffs from a country that is in economic decline and a weak dollar is suicide at this point.
A lot of the countries do not have good quality items.
Look at all the recalls on items that have been made in China due to faulty workmanship or leaded paint or other poisonous materials in the product.
I purchased a green top from QVC that was not cheap. It was from a foreign country and every time I wore it if I blew my nose it was the color of the green in that top.
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@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]
Thanks Deb but you could have done it well also.
Oh, I know...but you've covered Obama's doings out your way, so I figured that you'd want to follow up with this! -
@ lensman67
I feel a song coming on! ;o)
http://www.jibjab.com/originals/big_box_mart
Funny but sad.
That is why I very seldom shop at Big Box Mart, oops I mean WalMart. -
If we could get the stooges in the government to quit spending us into oblivion and phase out all our coal and oil fired power plants into nuclear they would save a ton on EPA fines and other related costs. We could get better prices and a more reliable and stable supply. Which would lower the costs to the manufacturers, Lower taxes would also lower prices across the board for production and retail which would make domestic products more appealing and so would the want to develop here. We have one of if not the highest cost to do business out of all the world. Look at Michigan and apply it nationally.
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@ RCB2875
The led paint levels were blown way out of proportion. You would have had to of eaten a carton of toys to have even been able to see the led on a blood test. The poison is different but that stems from lack of oversight. The Unions and taxes are what have ran the companies off to other countries. People will still buy the cheaper foreign products before they buy higher local products. To compete we will have to place tariffs on all imported goods which will intern make the countries that we export to do the same which will kill our export which is where our companies make their money. So pick your poison I suppose.
My God, you spell like a Third Grader!
Led? You mean lead?
Intern? What do you mean, a doctor in training or do you mean IN TURN?
And your thinking is as muddled as your spelling. This country was BUILT by high tariffs and it was the unions that gave us the middle class. Here is a list of some of the tarriffs that helped build US industry.
I doubt you have even a glimmer of an idea what industrial nightmare that was the US in the 19th century was like before unions, and progressives, got health and safety laws passed, the eight hour work day (as opposed to 16 hours which was the norm) and other protections that we take for granted.
It wasn't until that moron Reagan got into office that the US abandoned our centuries old tradition and we can all see just how well that has worked out---FOR THE PLUTOCRATS!
And apparently you are also ignorant of the fact that foreign countries ALREADY put high tariffs on US goods.
The only people who are opposed to unions and tariffs are big business and the Cons and between them they have run this country into the ground with their crackpot ideology.
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@ RCB2875
The led paint levels were blown way out of proportion. You would have had to of eaten a carton of toys to have even been able to see the led on a blood test. The poison is different but that stems from lack of oversight. The Unions and taxes are what have ran the companies off to other countries. People will still buy the cheaper foreign products before they buy higher local products. To compete we will have to place tariffs on all imported goods which will intern make the countries that we export to do the same which will kill our export which is where our companies make their money. So pick your poison I suppose.
If I have a baby that is exposed to small amounts of lead and other poisons from birth how long will it take that person to get cancer or some other disease?
I would not want to expose a baby to any product that contains lead or other materials that are against the law to be used in the U.S.
There does not seem to be an easy solution and if there ever will be one it will take years to be worked out.
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@ Debra Myers (skyangel)
Oh, I know...but you've covered Obama's doings out your way, so I figured that you'd want to follow up with this!
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@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]
Funny but sad.
That is why I very seldom shop at Big Box Mart, oops I mean WalMart.
My great uncle Sam (on my mother's side) is probably turning in this grave. GOOD he was an SOB
@ RCB2875
If we could get the stooges in the government to quit spending us into oblivion and phase out all our coal and oil fired power plants into nuclear they would save a ton on EPA fines and other related costs. We could get better prices and a more reliable and stable supply. Which would lower the costs to the manufacturers, Lower taxes would also lower prices across the board for production and retail which would make domestic products more appealing and so would the want to develop here. We have one of if not the highest cost to do business out of all the world. Look at Michigan and apply it nationally.
"more reliable and stable supply???"
Get a horse!
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@ RCB2875
If we could get the stooges in the government to quit spending us into oblivion and phase out all our coal and oil fired power plants into nuclear they would save a ton on EPA fines and other related costs. We could get better prices and a more reliable and stable supply. Which would lower the costs to the manufacturers, Lower taxes would also lower prices across the board for production and retail which would make domestic products more appealing and so would the want to develop here. We have one of if not the highest cost to do business out of all the world. Look at Michigan and apply it nationally.
Michigan's officials do not seem to have a clue of how to run things.
Small businesses after small businesses fail.
The government continues to spend and borrow and spend and borrow. The debt will fall on the shoulders of my great grandchild when I am dead and gone.
I should probably will anything that I have left, if the government doesn't take it all, to her so she can just survive. -
@ lensman67
"more reliable and stable supply???"
Get a horse!
What a maroon! ;o)
Yes it's proven reliable and stable. Ask France =) Out of all the Nuke plants in the world there has only been how many problems? With the earliest technology at that? Here's a horse to ride.
@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]
Michigan's officials do not seem to have a clue of how to run things.
Small businesses after small businesses fail.
The government continues to spend and borrow and spend and borrow. The debt will fall on the shoulders of my great grandchild when I am dead and gone.
I should probably will anything that I have left, if the government doesn't take it all, to her so she can just survive.
This is the same thing that the Government is doing daily and they can't tax it away.
Since they have taxed anything and everything the place has gone to crap. Lighten up on the taxes and spending and we might have a chance to relieve the burden from later generations. The only effective way to keep production in the U.S. is to reduce the costs. A great deal of the costs of business is from our own government. We need to fix this and regain the producer status as a nation. -
@ RCB2875
This is the same thing that the Government is doing daily and they can't tax it away.
Since they have taxed anything and everything the place has gone to crap. Lighten up on the taxes and spending and we might have a chance to relieve the burden from later generations. The only effective way to keep production in the U.S. is to reduce the costs. A great deal of the costs of business is from our own government. We need to fix this and regain the producer status as a nation.
To relieve the burden from the future generations the government HAS got to stop their reckless spending.
If I spent money that I don't have like they do I would probably be in jail.
I might get slammed for this but they also need to stop giving money away to every country that has a major disaster. Who the heck is sending money to us for the major disasters that we have had and are having?
I can't help but think of what the Bible says; 1 Timothy:5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. -
I couldn't agree more. This above all else makes me militant I'm sad to say.
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@ RCB2875
Yes it's proven reliable and stable. Ask France =) Out of all the Nuke plants in the world there has only been how many problems? With the earliest technology at that? Here's a horse to ride.
This is the same thing that the Government is doing daily and they can't tax it away.
Since they have taxed anything and everything the place has gone to crap. Lighten up on the taxes and spending and we might have a chance to relieve the burden from later generations. The only effective way to keep production in the U.S. is to reduce the costs. A great deal of the costs of business is from our own government. We need to fix this and regain the producer status as a nation.
The Germans had the brains to go to solar and that has been so successful that instead of building two new nuclear plants they have closed three old coal ones for a grand total of five plants replaced.
And they don't have to bury the toxic by products of solar power for a million years the way the nuke nuts do.
Of course the nuke nuts are so dumb that they fail to realize that we could start shutting down plants in this country if we simply outlawed the incandescent light bulb. Or if we insulated our buildings better. Or if we instituted any of a hundred or more other energy saving plans.
We don't need MORE power in this country, we need to quit squandering the power we already have. -
@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]
To relieve the burden from the future generations the government HAS got to stop their reckless spending.
If I spent money that I don't have like they do I would probably be in jail.
I might get slammed for this but they also need to stop giving money away to every country that has a major disaster. Who the heck is sending money to us for the major disasters that we have had and are having?
I can't help but think of what the Bible says; 1 Timothy:5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
Talk about reckless spending, our Commander in Thief has put his two unnecessary and immoral wars on the national credit card, which is why the US economy is in a death spiral.
Prices aren't going up nearly as fast as the value of the dollar is going down, thanks to Bush. -
@ lensman67
Talk about reckless spending, our Commander in Thief has put his two unnecessary and immoral wars on the national credit card, which is why the US economy is in a death spiral.
Prices aren't going up nearly as fast as the value of the dollar is going down, thanks to Bush.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttttttttttt. Bush alone is responsible for the economy, he's the only one who has anything to do with it...
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@ RCB2875
I couldn't agree more. This above all else makes me militant I'm sad to say.
It really ticks me off when I think of what the future generations are going to have to deal with if the government doesn't come to its senses.
How can they even think they are doing right?
How can governors want the government to spend money, which they don't have in the first place, on ridiculos projects that don't mean a thing. -
@ lensman67
We don't need MORE power in this country, we need to quit squandering the power we already have.
I agree with the solar and the need to reduce power consumption. Now if you can tell the Nature Nuts to allow us to plant solar panels over acre's of land we will be in business! Oh I forgot you also need to tell the elite D's too allow wind silo's to be erected in their view as well. Until then we will have to settle for a hidden Nuke in the country somewhere.
Just as a personal reference to my power conservation.. My latest bill said I used $75.39 worth of energy:1341kWh and they charged a $78.68 fuel adjustment -
Every government official is responsible for what is going on.
They need to think of those of us who are taxed too much and not the big corporations and of those that they will benefit from by bowing to their selfish wants.
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@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]
It really ticks me off when I think of what the future generations are going to have to deal with if the government doesn't come to its senses.
How can they even think they are doing right?
How can governors want the government to spend money, which they don't have in the first place, on ridiculos projects that don't mean a thing.
Like I posted in another thread they had $17+ Billion in pork alone. That didn't include the cost of the ridiculous approved spending just the fat. We need both parties to concentrate on the necessities and stop spending on the fluff and other crap to make them look good to someone else. -
@ RCB2875
Like I posted in another thread they had $17+ Billion in pork alone. That didn't include the cost of the ridiculous approved spending just the fat. We need both parties to concentrate on the necessities and stop spending on the fluff and other crap to make them look good to someone else.
Pork spending needs to be halted altogether.
It is ridiculous what some get money for.
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@ Mr Garibaldi
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttttttttttt. Bush alone is responsible for the economy, he's the only one who has anything to do with it...
Oy
No the other Cons helped him screw this country over.
But putting two unnecessary and immoral wars on the national credit card is not exactly a bright idea. We need to put an end to borrow and spend Conservatives and bring some sanity to this nation's finances. -
@ RCB2875
I agree with the solar and the need to reduce power consumption. Now if you can tell the Nature Nuts to allow us to plant solar panels over acre's of land we will be in business! Oh I forgot you also need to tell the elite D's too allow wind silo's to be erected in their view as well. Until then we will have to settle for a hidden Nuke in the country somewhere.
Just as a personal reference to my power conservation.. My latest bill said I used $75.39 worth of energy:1341kWh and they charged a $78.68 fuel adjustment
Wrong again! The Germans make what you stupidly call the "nature nuts" look like Republican nature haters with chainsaws. We don't have to put over acres (acre's? Is English your second language???) of land. The Germans were able to do it by putting the panels on the roofs of houses and factories.
I have an idea. Let's build all nuclear power plants and waste dumps in elite Republican neighborhoods and see how quickly they give up this crazy idea. -
@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]
Pork spending needs to be halted altogether.
It is ridiculous what some get money for.
When times are tough the unnecessary fluff needs to go.
Spending, on the right things, will help rebuild our shattered economy.
The money the Cons frittered away on Bush's crackpot crusades could have been better spent on rebuilding this country's aging infrastructure. But then the money would have gone to average Americans and Bush's cronies would not have been able to make their obscene profits.
We need a draconian "windfall profits" tax (and a massive raise in the taxes that the top 5% income bracket pays) and we need to spend the revenue that it raises on undoing the damage of the last seven years. -
acre: a unit in the United States and England equal to 43,560 square feet
Wow.. and apostrophe gets you this wound up? lmao Sorry my liege oh great one... I will try better next time. This is the best you had to argue on?
Work with what you have I suppose..
Ok well convince everyone to let the government to place solar panels on their houses and buildings and we are in business? Good luck Maybe we should get the army involved and hold people at gun point to let us right?
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@ lensman67
Spending, on the right things, will help rebuild our shattered economy.
The money the Cons frittered away on Bush's crackpot crusades could have been better spent on rebuilding this country's aging infrastructure. But then the money would have gone to average Americans and Bush's cronies would not have been able to make their obscene profits.
We need a draconian "windfall profits" tax (and a massive raise in the taxes that the top 5% income bracket pays) and we need to spend the revenue that it raises on undoing the damage of the last seven years.
Spending on the right things yes, but too much is spent on unnecessary things.
Our aging infrastructure should be a major concern not just a patch job now and than and a hope that another disaster like the bridge collapse in Minnesota doesn't happen again.
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Sigh I have to drag this out once again...
" Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) offered an amendment to impose a one-year moratorium on earmarks. Pork beat talk as the measure failed by a vote of 29-71... In the House of Representatives, Republicans want a one-year moratorium but will not unilaterally disarm. Democrats won’t agree because of objections from big porkers such as House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee Chairman John Murtha (D-Pa.).... In fiscal year 2008, Congress stuffed 11,610 projects (the second highest total ever) into the 12 appropriations bills worth $17.2 billion. The 11,610 projects represent a 337 percent increase over the 2,658 projects in fiscal year 2007. The $17.2 billion is a 30 percent increase over the fiscal year 2007 total of $13.2 billion " -
Maybe I am confused.. Who has had the control of congress the past two years again?
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@ RCB2875
Maybe I am confused.. Who has had the control of congress the past two years again?
You are confused.
While the Democrats have a SLIGHT majority they do not have enough to over ride Bozo's veto so don't even try to claim that this mess is their fault.
Who had control of Congress throughout MOST of Bush's term and who has backed his hair brained policies from day one? The Republi-can'ts (can't do government right). -
@ RCB2875
Sigh I have to drag this out once again...
" Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) offered an amendment to impose a one-year moratorium on earmarks. Pork beat talk as the measure failed by a vote of 29-71... In the House of Representatives, Republicans want a one-year moratorium but will not unilaterally disarm. Democrats won’t agree because of objections from big porkers such as House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee Chairman John Murtha (D-Pa.).... In fiscal year 2008, Congress stuffed 11,610 projects (the second highest total ever) into the 12 appropriations bills worth $17.2 billion. The 11,610 projects represent a 337 percent increase over the 2,658 projects in fiscal year 2007. The $17.2 billion is a 30 percent increase over the fiscal year 2007 total of $13.2 billion "
BULL! The Republi-can'ts have been the NUMBER ONE abusers of earmarks since the Bush regime began and Bush himself has gleefully signed bill after bill chock a block with Republi-can't pork so once again---you are confused. -
@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]
Spending on the right things yes, but too much is spent on unnecessary things.
Our aging infrastructure should be a major concern not just a patch job now and than and a hope that another disaster like the bridge collapse in Minnesota doesn't happen again.
A wind fall tax on those corporations that our government officials benefit from, not likely to happen.
That is why we need to throw the self styled "party of business" (the Republi-can'ts) out on their behinds and bring in people who will vow to pass a law outlawing ALL donations from corporations and organized crime just as the Founding Fathers intended. -
@ RCB2875
acre: a unit in the United States and England equal to 43,560 square feet
Wow.. and apostrophe gets you this wound up? lmao Sorry my liege oh great one... I will try better next time. This is the best you had to argue on?
Work with what you have I suppose..
Ok well convince everyone to let the government to place solar panels on their houses and buildings and we are in business? Good luck Maybe we should get the army involved and hold people at gun point to let us right?
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@ lensman67
You spell like you think--poorly. ehh fault Merriam Webster then..
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@ lensman67
That is why we need to throw the self styled "party of business" (the Republi-can'ts) out on their behinds and bring in people who will vow to pass a law outlawing ALL donations from corporations and organized crime just as the Founding Fathers intended.
I believe that most if not all politicians are out for what they can get for themselves.
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I hate to burst your republi cant party here but I am a registered Independent. lol And I personally don't care who spends the most. If your reading comprehension was of any use you would have seen where I said Government spending us into oblivion. Government as in a whole! You see what you want to see.
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@ lensman67
My God, you spell like a Third Grader!
Led? You mean lead?
Intern? What do you mean, a doctor in training or do you mean IN TURN?
And your thinking is as muddled as your spelling. This country was BUILT by high tariffs and it was the unions that gave us the middle class. Here is a list of some of the tarriffs that helped build US industry.
I doubt you have even a glimmer of an idea what industrial nightmare that was the US in the 19th century was like before unions, and progressives, got health and safety laws passed, the eight hour work day (as opposed to 16 hours which was the norm) and other protections that we take for granted.
It wasn't until that moron Reagan got into office that the US abandoned our centuries old tradition and we can all see just how well that has worked out---FOR THE PLUTOCRATS!
And apparently you are also ignorant of the fact that foreign countries ALREADY put high tariffs on US goods.
The only people who are opposed to unions and tariffs are big business and the Cons and between them they have run this country into the ground with their crackpot ideology.
It is time for a change in this country and long past time that we drove the Cons out of power.
LOL Wow what a crime I have committed by not correcting a missing A and not noticing intErn =O
You do realise the will go higher on the tariffs? I am well aware of the existing tariffs.
And yes the country enjoyed the tariffs but things that worked well then won't now. We do not have the production status that we had then since the other countries have started becoming competitive in the market.
Unions served us great at the time. Since then the have become too powerful and greedy. I suppose having 1 guy doing a job while 5 stand and watch is your thought of efficiency do you? I have worked in the paper and chemical plants from Texas to Georgia and its always the same crap with the Union workers. They cant get their tools to the job before its break time again. The Unions have abused their power too much in the recent years. And it simply makes business too expensive with all the other crap.
I have news for you 16+ hour work days are still alive and well. Have you ever worked in the construction sector?
The safety laws past in the beginning were a good addition but have you taken a look at them lately? Better yet have you ever taken an OSHA class? I have! Several times in fact. A third of what they say in the name of safety is crap to keep some safety guy's job open. Just look at what they have just for Tie Off-
Talk about reckless spending, our Commander in Thief has put his two unnecessary and immoral wars on the national credit card, which is why the US economy is in a death spiral.
And the Democrats in Congress supported him and funded the military actions. -
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If you are going to push your moral beliefs at us then you should not object when we push our moral beliefs at you.
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BULL! The Republi-can'ts have been the NUMBER ONE abusers of earmarks since the Bush regime began
Prove it! -
bring in people who will vow to pass a law outlawing ALL donations from corporations and organized crime just as the Founding Fathers intended.
I missed that section in the constitution. Please provide a reference that I can use see which founding fathers supported this law. -
Who pays the bill when you increase taxes on corporations?
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