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Hillary Clinton does not have the delegate lead that Barack Obama enjoys. Clinton's goal at this point is to convince superdelegates that Obama cannot win in November's general election against John McCain. WV and Kentucky will give her argument validity.
Recently Hillary Clinton was accused of playing the "race card" and perhaps she did, but she was quoting Associated press polling report that said that, "Barack Obama's problem winning votes from working-class whites is showing no sign of going away, and their impression of him is getting worse."
Those were not Hillary's words, those were Associate Press' words that she repeated.
Right or wrong, those were the figures and when Clinton's only hope of winning the nomination is to convince superdelegates that Obama cannot win the general election without the "white" vote, then is she supposed to ignore that data, reported by a media organization the size of Associated Press, simply because mentioning it is politically incorrect?
Today we see further evidence of her assertion, from polls done in West Virginia showing Clinton has a 36 percentage point lead in west Virginia, among likely Democratic voters.
West Virginia Democratic voters' party loyalty also is fragile. Asked what they would do if their first choice for the Democratic nomination lost, 40 percent of respondents said they would still vote for the Democratic nominee; 23 percent said they would jump parties and vote for Republican John McCain; 6 percent would vote for independent candidate Ralph Nader; 30 percent were undecided; while 2 percent refused a response.
It also bears mentioning that no Democrat has been elected to the White House without carrying West Virginia since 1916.
She leads the Illinois senator 58 percent to 31 percent, with 11 percent uncommitted, according to a Herald-Leader/WKYT Kentucky Poll of 500 probable Democratic voters.
But either Democratic candidate would trail the expected Republican nominee, John McCain, in the state by double digits if the November general election were held today, reveals a companion survey of 600 likely voters from all parties.
Other polling done in Kentucky show the, to a lesser extent, another massive lead by Clinton over Obama by 27 percentage points.
Also, the numbers put into doubt whether Kentucky will be a battleground state in the fall. McCain leads Obama by 25 percentage points and Clinton by 12. This could bode well for McCain, since the state has backed the winning presidential candidate in every race since 1964.
At the risk of being politically incorrect by stating certain facts that support Clinton's argument, we see that in North Carolina, where Obama won a landslide victory, Clinton won whites 61-37.
In Pennsylvania, Clinton won whites 63-37.
In Ohio, Clinton won whites 64-34.
In Massachusetts Clinton won whites 58-40.
In Maryland, Clinton won whites 52-42.
In Missouri, Clinton won whites 57-39.
And the same type of results were found in TN, AR, NJ, GA, MS, AL, FL and so on.
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Outside of the West (Obama won whites in CA, WA, ID, UT, CO, KS, etc) Obama has not fared well with white voters.
Admittedly, the reasons vary and some of the individual voters might very well be voting the way they are because of racial issues, others perhaps because of experience, or simply because they prefer Clinton or other reasons such as associations.
Those questions would have to be asked of each individual voter but whatever their answer, the result is still the same and their answers do not change the fact that certain people will not vote for Obama.
The reasoning given by West Virginia voters who have been interviewed, is considered ridiculous by some, but even so, it is who they will or will not vote for in the general election that counts.
Most people questioned said they mistrusted Mr Obama because of doubts about his patriotism and “values”, stemming from his cosmopolitan background, his exotic name and the controversy surrounding “anti-American” sermons by Jeremiah Wright, his former pastor. Several people said they believed he was a Muslim – an unfounded rumour that has circulated on the internet for months – despite the contradiction with his 20-year membership of Mr Wright’s church in Chicago. Others mentioned his refusal to wear a Stars and Stripes badge and controversial remarks by his wife, Michelle, who described America as “mean” and implied that she had never been proud of the US until her husband ran for president.
Clinton has vowed to stay in the race until at least June, despite the fact that she trails badly in delegate counts and no longer holds much of a superdelegate lead and her reasoning is based on electability and her assertion that for whatever the reason, white Americans will not vote for Barack Obama.
That argument could very well be considered "playing the race card", but to expect a politician fighting for the nomination of presidency, when she is trailing as badly as Clinton is, to not mention the polling done that supports her argument, simply because it is politically incorrect, would be even worse political suicide.
How does a politician point out that race is a factor for some voters without sounding racist?
How does a politician highlight polling data that confirms her assertions, when the polling data shows that racial issues and racist attitudes are playing a large part in how people are voting and plan to vote in November, without the risk of sounding racist?
According to Del Ali, president of the firm Research 2000, which conducted the Kentucky surveys, “White, rural voters are not going to vote for an African-American in Kentucky over a white, male conservative."
That could be considered a very racist statement showing very racists attitudes on the part of the people of Kentucky, which mimics some of the reasoning showed from voters in West Virginia, and as ugly as it is, it is political reality and whether Clinton opponents like it or not, Hillary Clinton seems to be about the only politician willing to acknowledge that ugly reality.
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That shows a big pattern. But what I can't understand why do they call him black, I mean he has a white mother. If we go back in history, we all might have a black ancestor to begin with in Africa.
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That shows a big pattern. But what I can't understand why do they call him black, I mean he has a white mother. If we go back in history, we all might have a black ancestor to begin with in Africa.
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@ Chris V. (cgull)
That shows a big pattern. But what I can't understand why do they call him black, I mean he has a white mother. If we go back in history, we all might have a black ancestor to begin with in Africa.
Cgull, it is sad to say but something that must be acknowledged anyway, whether it sounds racists or not. To some people, they do not look at his experience or lack thereof, they do not care about his questionable associations as much as they care about the color his skin looks.
I would bet half of those interviewed in the article do not know, nor care that his mother was white.
People are voting or not voting for their own reasons, but polling data suggest that many, even though it is horrible, are voting because of race.
That is a fact, just read some of their interviews.
If Hillary or any pundit cannot bring up that simple fact or mention the polling without being called racists, then no one can ever discuss the issue and those biases will never be changed.
So, did she play the race card? Sure she did, but she didn't conduct the polls, she repeated the results and yet people acted like she made it all up because she is a racist.
It is all so silly.
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This election is all about race. The 'Blacks ' want a black person in the white house so they can change things. Vote for Obama and you will see the biggest change in American History - Rayganye.
P.S. Ask the CBC who are they supporting. Wake up 'Whitey' your world is going to change and you voted for it.
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@ Raymonty
This election is all about race. The 'Blacks ' want a black person in the white house so they can change things. Vote for Obama and you will see the biggest change in American History - Rayganye.
P.S. Ask the CBC who are they supporting. Wake up 'Whitey' your world is going to change and you voted for it.
This country could have the biggest change and that very few will be happy with.
Folks you better do your home work before you vote.
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@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]
This country could have the biggest change and that very few will be happy with.
Folks you better do your home work before you vote.
Agreed. Short and sweet and perfectly said. People need to start dealing with issues and they need quit avoiding issues that aren't "politically correct".
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@ Susan Duclos
Agreed. Short and sweet and perfectly said. People need to start dealing with issues and they need quit avoiding issues that aren't "politically correct".
Amen Sister!!!!
It's there and so many are ignoring it.
Change can be good but sometimes it can be very bad if you don't know what the "change" is going to be.
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@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]
Amen Sister!!!!
It's there and so many are ignoring it.
Change can be good but sometimes it can be very bad if you don't know what the "change" is going to be.
Some here the word change and start cheering but how many have you heard ask the one important questions of "what is going change?"
I haven't heard many bother to ask. Too many just like the word "change" because it is a feel good promise that politicians have been making since I can remember.
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Based on these comments, it seems to me that you "Whitey" folks are afraid to have a black man as your president.
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@ 666divine
Based on these comments, it seems to me that you "Whitey" folks are afraid to have a black man as your president.
Why, because we are not scared to acknowledge the polls, the data and the ignorant words of those interviewed?
Fact is, to acknowledge what is right in front of your face, might not be politically correct, but it is at least honest.
Tell me , where did you see any of comment that WE wouldn't vote for Obama based on his skin color?
I have pointed out his associations, his bad judgment and his inexperience...all of which in my mind is reason enough not to vote for him.
It is always those that do not want to address the issues IN the article that like to throw that race card out.
The polling data is real....why not address it? Is it too politically incorrect for you?
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One last point. Although those interviewed stated some horrible reasons, why is it that anyone that thinks Obama is bad for the country is accused of being racist?
Isn't THAT playing the race card worse that anything Hillary has said or done?
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"Wake up 'Whitey' your world is going to change and you voted for it." This is an example. I don't care if it's politically incorrect or not. Actually, I would prefer if people stopped being politically correct and stated their true feelings.
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@ 666divine
"Wake up 'Whitey' your world is going to change and you voted for it." This is an example. I don't care if it's politically incorrect or not. Actually, I would prefer if people stopped being politically correct and stated their true feelings.
Since I do not know Raymonty well enough to even attempt to understand his comment, I will refrain from responding to it in any manner.
Your statement "Actually, I would prefer if people stopped being politically correct and stated their true feelings," is the point of my comments and thank you for saying it."
Fact is for many, race is an issue and when the data starts showing it conclusively as the recent figures suggest, people need to confront it head on, which is what Hillary has done.
Anyone who has read my Hillary pieces know I am no fan of hers in any way, shape or form, and it is a rare day when I accuse her of being more honest that the majority of politicians or pundits, but I have to be fair enough to give this one to her.
She is willing to speak the truth (yeah, because it helps her) about what is happening and what the polls show.
Personally I wouldn't care if Obama were green with pink polka dots, I don't like his stand on issues, I don't like his questionable associations or the lack of judgment he has shown in my opinion on a variety of issues, nor the people he has chosen to spend most of his life associating with.
BUT, from those interviews there ARE some very racist people out there and some states that have shown the propensity of refusing to vote for Obama because of his color...it is wrong (IMO), it is ugly, it is horrible, but it is still a fact according to all the polls, exit polls and data provided to date.
If the Democratic leaders are not going to acknowledge it at all and just hope it goes away, then they are suffering from delusions.
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@ [Citizen Journalist] 666divine
"Wake up 'Whitey' your world is going to change and you voted for it." This is an example. I don't care if it's politically incorrect or not. Actually, I would prefer if people stopped being politically correct and stated their true feelings.
Since I do not know Raymonty well enough to even attempt to understand his comment, I will refrain from responding to it in any manner.
Your statement "Actually, I would prefer if people stopped being politically correct and stated their true feelings," is the point of my comments and thank you for saying it."
Fact is for many, race is an issue and when the data starts showing it conclusively as the recent figures suggest, people need to confront it head on, which is what Hillary has done.
Anyone who has read my Hillary pieces know I am no fan of hers in any way, shape or form, and it is a rare day when I accuse her of being more honest that the majority of politicians or pundits, but I have to be fair enough to give this one to her.
She is willing to speak the truth (yeah, because it helps her) about what is happening and what the polls show.
Personally I wouldn't care if Obama were green with pink polka dots, I don't like his stand on issues, I don't like his questionable associations or the lack of judgment he has shown in my opinion on a variety of issues, nor the people he has chosen to spend most of his life associating with.
BUT, from those interviews there ARE some very racist people out there and some states that have shown the propensity of refusing to vote for Obama because of his color...it is wrong (IMO), it is ugly, it is horrible, but it is still a fact according to all the polls, exit polls and data provided to date.
If the Democratic leaders are not going to acknowledge it at all and just hope it goes away, then they are suffering from delusions.
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S.D. ~ This November you will be able to count on your fingers how many Black people voted for McCain. The issue is black and white for this coming election. I really don't care who wins because they are all the same. My taxes are not going down, the price of gas is still going up and our soldiers will still be killed in the middle east for many years.
The 'Wake up Whitey' comment was only to get your attention, so please don't read anything into it.
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I'm probably going to vote for a minor party presidential candidate since I don't care enough for Obama, Clinton or McCain.
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Interesting quote in today's WSJ Online,
Juan Williams, a political analyst with NPR and Fox News, writing in the New York Daily News:
Obama has run a brilliant campaign. He has won over many white voters by making them proud to vote for a supremely educated and capable man who, at his best, makes race a secondary concern. It is not inconsistent, unfair or unsavory to point out, at the same time, that Obama has been growing weaker over the months in his ability to win all but black voters. Nor am I necessarily suggesting that white voters are drifting from him because of his race – as opposed to judgments about the content of his character or candidacy. This is about facing facts. And history will reflect poorly on Democrats if they believe it is virtuous to ignore race in the name of nominating the first black candidate for the White House – even if it means giving the Republicans a better chance to once again walk away with the big prize of the presidency.
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Good find Lew.
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@ LewWaters
Interesting quote in today's WSJ Online,
Hopefully, most people will make their decision based on the candidates' views on the issues and not on race. Who has the best plan for improving the economy? Who has the better policies regarding the war on terror? Questions like these are how voters should make their ultimate decisions.
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