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 Polygamist's Sons: Incest Will Bring Back The Line Of Jesus Christ
Alaric LeBaron, tells KSL.com 5, "My dad is a religious fanatic, and he believes in this. He believes that incest is going to bring back the line of Jesus Christ."
Ross LeBaron, Jr's three sons broke away from the polygamist lifestyle and claim that their father is impregnating their sister and claim to have the DNA evidence to prove it.
Ross LeBaron, Jr is a wealthy Utah man and three of his sons, David Uri LeBaron, Elend LeBaron and Alaric LeBaron (He is an Air Force doctor in Afghanistan so his comments were made via the phone), all tell a disturbing tale of their fathers belief that "incest is going to bring back the line of Jesus Christ."
According to David, one of his sisters has bore four children and his other sister has bore one. All three sons had saliva tests done and had the DNA compared to two of their sisters' young children.
David says, "Both of them, from our understanding, show that the father of those children were male members of the family", he continues, "We've done DNA testing. We know what's going on, and we're here to find a way to put an end to it."
The three sons say Ross LeBaron is a polygamist and may have spiritually married his own daughter, their sister. They're convinced he impregnated her four times because of a fundamentalist belief called the "pure seed doctrine." They're going public because they're worried that Utah incest law may prevent anyone involved from being prosecuted.
The brothers are worried for their younger sister, who is 15 years old, and believe that when she turns 18, she will also be used to breed incestuously.
"The concept that he has superior genetics, superior intelligence, if you will, due to his direct lineage of Jesus Christ," David said.
When Ross LeBaron, Jr. was interviewed by Mike Watkiss of Phoenix station KTVK and asked if impregnated his daughters, he denied it and when questioned further he tried to turn the cameras off.
It is reported that off-camera, he said that if he did impregnate his daughter, it was because his wife performed artificial insemination.
The sons do not believe that but think that the laws must be changed to make incestuous pregnancy illegal, regardless of how it was achieved.
Another son Wayne, who still follows in his father's footsteps told reporters, "Whether we choose to engage in that is a private matter, but I personally believe that the combination of out-marrying for genetic diversity and inter-marrying to fix beneficial traits can be beneficial for the right individuals"
David said, "Through either that union or another inbreeding union, that they would create the future Savior, so to speak." He says the family believes it would create something like a reincarnation of the Savior.
Iron County Attorney Scott Garrett tells reporters that there is an active investigation going on but it may take another couple of months, therefore he could not provide any more details.
Utah law states (page 6 of PDF file) that it is a third-degree felony to have sexual intercourse with someone who is an ancestor, descendant, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece. Marriages between first cousins are prohibited unless the couple is 55 and sterile or over the age of 65.
This is not the first time the LaBaron family has been in the news. Laurie (LaBaron) Allen told her story in a film called " Banking on Heaven", where she described, in detail, her experiences with Ross LaBaron as well as being kidnapped and growing up in a polygamist compound.
Laurie Allen was born into the infamous and violent LeBaron polygamous sect. Her uncle Ervil LeBaron killed 28 people, and became known as the Mormon Manson. Her cousin Jacqueline Tarsa LeBaron is on the FBI's Most Wanted list.
She has been interviewed on The Early Show, ABC, Geraldo, Larry King Live and many others and portions of her story have been shown on Montel Williams, Oprah, and countless other shows.
You can read more about the LaBaron family at Wikipedia.
You can find out more about Consanguinity aka inbreeding and birth defects at Health Central.com.
An example of the defects that are caused by inbreeding within polygamist families was reported in 2005 by the Phoenix News Times.
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Just disturbing....
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two words:foothills kentucky
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@ Samantha A. Torrence
Just disturbing....
Isn't it? I mean, adults doing what they want behind closed doors is one thing, but there is enough inbreeding statistics out there to show that it causes birth defects and mental retardation and it is against the law to boot.
@ Nikki W (karateblossom)
two words:foothills kentucky
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lol that was so wrong it was funny.
Susan, I am all for people being forced to list the names of biological mother's fathers and family on adoption certificates for just that reason. Incest is dangerous for the genetic diversity we as a species need to survive.
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sorry.....my husbands from kentucky, he says
'hazard county, kentucky'...lol ('Future Shock'by alvin toffler-blue people).
We aren't suppose to inbreed for obvious reasons. its wrong and harmful
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one thought: family tree, one stump, no branches = no fruit
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Oy
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@ Samantha A. Torrence
lol that was so wrong it was funny.
Susan, I am all for people being forced to list the names of biological mother's fathers and family on adoption certificates for just that reason. Incest is dangerous for the genetic diversity we as a species need to survive.
I agree and if those DNA tests show that the daughters kids are the fathers kids and the kids grandfather is also their father.... Utah needs to deal with it and fast before that 15 yr old hits 18. -
@ Nikki W (karateblossom)
sorry.....my husbands from kentucky, he says
'hazard county, kentucky'...lol ('Future Shock'by alvin toffler-blue people).
We aren't suppose to inbreed for obvious reasons. its wrong and harmful
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That is the problem with religion isn't it? It is based on belief, not reason. When the bully of the pack then decides that something is part of the doctrine, the sheep follow, no matter how outlandish and ridiculous the claim. Children are particularly vulnerable. Only a previous few succceed in freeing themselves from such dogmatic thinking, and even they are usually scarred for life.
And yes, incest leads to inbreeding and inbreeding leads to horrible borth defects. Not always, but the probability is definitely a lot higher than when non-related people breed together.
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Bart
And yes, incest leads to inbreeding and inbreeding leads to horrible borth defects
It must, looking at places like India, the rate of birth defects are much higher than the Western world.
And your incessant ranting regarding religion, does get old. -
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@ Gar SwaffarIt must, looking at places like India, the rate of birth defects are much higher than the Western world. Yes it is. It is for any and all animals. In that respect, Homo sapiens is no different from, say, Rattus rattus.
@ Gar SwaffarAnd your incessant ranting regarding religion, does get old. Maybe, but it doesn't make it any less true, and this happens to be about a religion. -
(got my popcorn)
As Helena would say.....carry on!
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mmm popcorn.
Bart's rants on religion only offend me when he insinuates I am a child abusing idiot for teaching my children about religion ( not the organized kind). =) other than that there are many times he is spot on, many many times.
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@ Samantha A. Torrence
mmm popcorn.
Bart's rants on religion only offend me when he insinuates I am a child abusing idiot for teaching my children about religion ( not the organized kind). =) other than that there are many times he is spot on, many many times.
To me none of this is about religion really. To me these are people committing crimes, doing things that are illegal by the statutes of their state and the authorities have been looking the other way, deliberately for too long. -
Honestly though it is Susan, the religion is the tool being used to manipulate people into these immoral and illegal acts. It is a person who most likely does believe what he is saying with mental issues and a great personality that takes advantage of weak people with dependence and acceptance issues.
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@ Samantha A. TorrenceBart's rants on religion only offend me when he insinuates I am a child abusing idiot for teaching my children about religion ( not the organized kind). =) Actually, I never have insinuated that. I never would. That would be ridiculous from where I am standing, for I would teach my children about religion as well. I have always defended the standpoint of teaching children about religion, even in school. -
Well then I must have misinterpreted your rants. =P Please accept my apology.
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@ Sue D.
To me none of this is about religion really. To me these are people committing crimes, doing things that are illegal by the statutes of their state and the authorities have been looking the other way, deliberately for too long. I agree, insofar that crimes are crimes, regardless of why they are committed. However, religion is used here to convince people of committing hideous things on a fairly large scale. While there are exceptions, I believe that it is clear that religion is at the very heart of the problem here, it is the direct cause, and possibly the justification in the case of the leader, for he is the one who dreams up God's Commandments. -
@ Samantha A. Torrence
Honestly though it is Susan, the religion is the tool being used to manipulate people into these immoral and illegal acts. It is a person who most likely does believe what he is saying with mental issues and a great personality that takes advantage of weak people with dependence and acceptance issues.
Well, considering that they come from a long line of likeminded ancestors and a couple of those ancestors are short a dozen or so marbles... insanity might be more the case in this instance
I mean look at the Mormon Manson guy... that was one sick puppy, did you read his crime library stuff?
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@ Samantha A. Torrence
Well then I must have misinterpreted your rants. =P Please accept my apology. Thank you, Samantha. Apology not necessary. Misunderstandings happen. I have always advocated teaching about religion, for it is too important for our culture not to teach it. No person can hope to be proficient in English while ignoring the Bible, for example. -
This guy is an idiot... this has nothing to do with religion, he just uses religion as a pretext. No one should attack the religion, since this is a specific case. This guy is disgusting and he should be put in jail.. not once in the bible does it mention incest is appropriate.. i hope this guy gets the punishment he deserves.
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@ Sue D.
Well, considering that they come from a long line of likeminded ancestors and a couple of those ancestors are short a dozen or so marbles... insanity might be more the case in this instance
I mean look at the Mormon Manson guy... that was one sick puppy, did you read his crime library stuff?
Whoa!
No I didn't, there is only so much "shadow" I can expose myself to in one day without becomming dark and obsessive. I saved all my shadow for Supernatural. -
@ Ranma
This guy is an idiot... this has nothing to do with religion, he just uses religion as a pretext. No one should attack the religion, since this is a specific case. This guy is disgusting and he should be put in jail.. not once in the bible does it mention incest is appropriate.. i hope this guy gets the punishment he deserves. It has everything to do with religion. The leader may very well be dreaming up the rules, which he probably does, but he is followed by people who believe it. That is the problem with religion. It teaches belief, not reason, and it seems that this guy is taking full advantage of it, like most religious leaders.
As far as the Bible is concerned, the Good Book's morals are quite flexible in this case. On the one hand, it does accept incest in Genesis (it does not encourage it, however) while on the other hand declaring it punishable by burning in Leviticus. So, we'd have to say that it is acceptable and not acceptable, depending on what one chooses to believe. -
Bart, Genesis does not accept incest, only people who misinterpret the Bible think Cain was boinking his sister. He took a wife from the Land of Nod. He took a wife who was a nomad. So no the Good Book's morals are not flexible in this case, only the interpretation by dogmatic priests.
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@ Samantha A. Torrence
Bart, Genesis does not accept incest, only people who misinterpret the Bible think Cain was boinking his sister. He took a wife from the Land of Nod. He took a wife who was a nomad. So no the Good Book's morals are not flexible in this case, only the interpretation by dogmatic priests. I wasn't thinking of Cain, for there is no evidence of Cain's wife in the Bible. I was talking about Lot and his daughters. He managed to get drunk and impregnate both his daughters, supposedly unknowingly.
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@ Ranma
This guy is an idiot... this has nothing to do with religion, he just uses religion as a pretext. No one should attack the religion, since this is a specific case. This guy is disgusting and he should be put in jail.. not once in the bible does it mention incest is appropriate.. i hope this guy gets the punishment he deserves.
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@ Samantha A. Torrence
No I didn't, there is only so much "shadow" I can expose myself to in one day without becomming dark and obsessive. I saved all my shadow for Supernatural.
28 people dead cause of him...then another family member on the FBI's most wanted list... just saying, alot of craziness there. -
ahhhh, back from tae kwon do and whoa!
ok, my take is these people totally believe in their twisted minds that what they do is religion and is ok.
this freak is probably totally believing in the incest line of thinking.
its disgusting. its religious brainwashing at its finest. it serves to harm so many innocent victims. it serves to create a very nasty domino effect that breeds nothing but harm, lies, disease, pain, ills, bad and all things negative.
yet they truly believe in their religion
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@ Nikki W (karateblossom)
ahhhh, back from tae kwon do and whoa!
ok, my take is these people totally believe in their twisted minds that what they do is religion and is ok.
this freak is probably totally believing in the incest line of thinking.
its disgusting. its religious brainwashing at its finest. it serves to harm so many innocent victims. it serves to create a very nasty domino effect that breeds nothing but harm, lies, disease, pain, ills, bad and all things negative.
yet they truly believe in their religion
Glad the three sons got away though.
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My remembrance of that story was they thought they were the only human's left, got thier father drunk and then they decided to lay with him. I never liked the story, it always bothered me, but I never accepted incest because of it.
In the 20th chapter Abraham says Sarah is his sister, but people interpret it as his sister as she is the daughter of God ( Sarah means Princess). So who knows? Leviticus says it is wrong, and many ( not all) of the laws of leviticus are founded well. Many to promote society and the safety of society, a bit strict but hey Moses was a bit strict himself.
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me too suzyQ! night sweets.
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@ Sue D.
28 people dead cause of him...then another family member on the FBI's most wanted list... just saying, alot of craziness there.
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@ Samantha A. Torrence
My remembrance of that story was they thought they were the only human's left, got thier father drunk and then they decided to lay with him. I never liked the story, it always bothered me, but I never accepted incest because of it.
In the 20th chapter Abraham says Sarah is his sister, but people interpret it as his sister as she is the daughter of God ( Sarah means Princess). So who knows? Leviticus says it is wrong, and many ( not all) of the laws of leviticus are founded well. Many to promote society and the safety of society, a bit strict but hey Moses was a bit strict himself.
Okay, Tom my loving husband pointed out Gen 12:10 where Sarah and Abraham prefabricated a lie because Sarah was so hot Abraham thought he would be killed so other men could have her. So they tell everyone they are brother and sister. =) -
go hubby! so abe and sara aren't really related.
But still, its not ok, the whole sex or nudity with kids
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@ Samantha A. Torrence
My remembrance of that story was they thought they were the only human's left, got thier father drunk and then they decided to lay with him. I never liked the story, it always bothered me, but I never accepted incest because of it.
In the 20th chapter Abraham says Sarah is his sister, but people interpret it as his sister as she is the daughter of God ( Sarah means Princess). So who knows? Leviticus says it is wrong, and many ( not all) of the laws of leviticus are founded well. Many to promote society and the safety of society, a bit strict but hey Moses was a bit strict himself. @ Samantha A. TorrenceMy remembrance of that story was they thought they were the only human's left, got thier father drunk and then they decided to lay with him. Some apologists claim that, but it is manifestly wrong, according to the Bible:
Genesis 19:21-22, 30
I will not overthrow this city for the which thou hast spoken. Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do anything till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar. ... And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him.
@ Samantha A. TorrenceI never liked the story, it always bothered me, but I never accepted incest because of it. Neither do I, but it is part of the Bible. Lot and his daughters are not condemned anywhere in the Bible. Even though it is not encouraged, someone who wants to use the Bible as the basis for an incestuous lifestyle, can easily use this as an argument.
@ Samantha A. TorrenceIn the 20th chapter Abraham says Sarah is his sister, but people interpret it as his sister as she is the daughter of God ( Sarah means Princess). That is nothing more than an attempt to explain away awkward bits in the Bible. Abraham is a sneaky one, and his wife is obviously not much better. They did indeed play the sister-trick in chapter 20, but that was the second time. They also play the sister-trick in chapter 12. As far as I am concerned, he is not exactly an example of morality. Neither is God, since it accepts all this despiccable behaviour without question. Worse, it co-operates with it. -
God allows us to excercise free will and loves us despite our faults. It seems to me that in the Bible God's vengence is saved for those who revel in thier sin rather than just being sinful because they are mistaken. Moses, Abraham, David, all had faults but God's grace was extended to them because they were repentive of thier faults and they loved God.
One of my favorite quotes about the Bible comes from Dharma and Gregg.
A few years ago ABC aired an episode of the sitcom "Dharma and Greg" in which Greg, a lawyer who had recently given up his career to search for true meaning in life, tells his wife Dharma that he plans to read the entire Bible cover-to-cover. Dharma tells Greg that he doesn't need to do that because she can summarize it for him: "Part one, don't mess with God. Part two, be nice to people."
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@ Samantha A. Torrence
Okay, Tom my loving husband pointed out Gen 12:10 where Sarah and Abraham prefabricated a lie because Sarah was so hot Abraham thought he would be killed so other men could have her. So they tell everyone they are brother and sister. =) Indeed, she must have been quite something. Still a looker at 70/90 or years old... -
@ Nikki W (karateblossom)
go hubby! so abe and sara aren't really related.
But still, its not ok, the whole sex or nudity with kids You are right:
Genesis 11:26-32
And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.
Now these are the generations of Terah: Terah begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran; and Haran begat Lot.
And Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his nativity, in Ur of the Chaldees.
And Abram and Nahor took them wives: the name of Abram's wife was Sarai; and the name of Nahor's wife, Milcah, the daughter of Haran, the father of Milcah, and the father of Iscah.
But Sarai was barren; she had no child.
And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.
And the days of Terah were two hundred and five years: and Terah died in Haran.
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@ Samantha A. TorrenceGod allows us to excercise free will and loves us despite our faults. It seems to me that in the Bible God's vengence is saved for those who revel in thier sin rather than just being sinful because they are mistaken. Moses, Abraham, David, all had faults but God's grace was extended to them because they were repentive of thier faults and they loved God.
One of my favorite quotes about the Bible comes from Dharma and Gregg.
God is far bigger than the mortal words used to describe him, his feelings, and his intentions. I have a problem with the vengeance. That in itself is, in my opinion, enough to declare any creature an immoral one, whether it is God or a jellyfish or anything else. -
Unfreaking real. I agree that it's a twisted belief in religion, to hide behind it to commit the crimes of incest.
Good story, Susan! I hadn't heard about this bunch yet.
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