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article imageFLDS Children Moved, Samples Sent, Senate Leader Speaks and FLDS Men On The Run?

Posted Apr 23, 2008 by  Sue D. in Lifestyle | 12 comments | 1002 views
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A new element in a case that has been constantly changing and moving forward, is reported today. Senate Leader, Harry Reid, is requesting the Justice Department review federal efforts to combat child abuse and criminal activity in polygamous communities.
Updating on the child custody issue for the FLDS children, the Senate leader's request is just the latest in reports coming out today. Others include the DNA samples already collected from all the children and some adults, being sent to the lab, more children being moved to their temporary homes, lawyers complaining and news that the FLDS men might be running to avoid charges.

Three weeks after the removal of 437 children from the Yearning for Zion (YFZ) Ranch, which is a Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (FLDS) compound, for allegations of abuse after Child Protective Services said they witnessed evidence of abuse, the state has finished taking the children's DNA samples and some of the parents, and have sent it to Alamance County, where LabCorp will be doing the testing for Texas state to determine family lines for the children.

Texas State District Judge Barbara Walther ordered the DNA tests last week after a two day hearing in which she determined that the children would stay in state custody pending further investigation.

Yesterday over 100 children were moved to their temporary foster facilities, teenage mothers being kept with their babies and large groups of children being placed into facilities together, because the state felt it best to keep as many siblings together as possible. CPS has been having a difficult time determining what children are siblings because the children have given different names are not always sure what family they belong to and some could not identify their biological parents, hence the DNA testing.

Today more children were taken to 16 different facilities across Texas, where they will stay until their DNA results are in as well as the parents, at which time they will travel back to the court to determine if they will be placed back at their homes or if Texas state will retain custody.

The children's parents are again returning to the Schleicher County Memorial Building today to undergo a cheek swab, be photographed and assigned a number. Not many showed up on Tuesday. Texas attorney general's spokeswoman Janece Rolfe said those who do not show could face fines or jail time.

"The court order is clear that being found in contempt of court could be a consequence," she said.


Rolfe also says that by not cooperating, "They jeopardize their ability to have their children returned."

Lawyers are also in court today in front of Judge Walther, complaining about the children being moved to their foster homes and want to tour the facilities.

Other news coming out today is something that was mentioned on Nancy Grace last night and which the New Yorks Times is alleging today.

Not only are some of the parents that were ordered to provide the DNA samples to be matched with what child is theirs, are not showing up to provide those samples, but some of the fathers are being reported as allegedly leaving town to avoid criminal charges that may be filed on them should they be determined to have impregnated the children from the ranch.

An estimated 175 adults in the group are also supposed to participate in the genetic testing, although some of the men were said to have left the state to avoid possible criminal charges.


With that said, there are a number of mothers that are showing up and providing the DNA samples.

In the meantime, Senate Leader Harry Reid, sent a letter to the Attorney General, Michael B. Mukasey, expressing his concern about the "pervasive criminal activity" by polygamist groups in the southwestern United States, as underscored by the raid on the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints compound in Texas.

Reid previously wrote to then-Attorney General Alberto Gonzales in September 2006 saying the federal government should work with state officials to address the "broader pattern of serious criminal conduct by all those who use multiple marriages to abuse women and children."


Reid goes further when he states, "The recent raid of one polygamist compound in Texas uncovered many of these problems. But Texas may just be the tip of the iceberg."

From the raid on the FLDS compound, to the removal of the children and the subsequent court hearings, judges orders, DNA tests and relocating the children to their foster homes, all of this has been handled by the state and some may feel that each state should take care of the problem themselves.

Reid does continue on to make another point:

"The problem remains acute," Reid, a Nevada Democrat, wrote, noting that some polygamists have isolated themselves by setting up tightly controlled towns, with officials discouraging victims of polygamy from seeking help.


Reid continues with, "In the fact of such corruption, state and local law enforcement is often inadequate. Federal assistance is vital."
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  • avatar Posted Apr 23, 2008 by  Mr Garibaldi
    #1
    I'll be damned, I'm looking in the sky for lightning and catastrophic, apocalyptic weather signs.

    Reid continues with, "In the fact of such corruption, state and local law enforcement is often inadequate. Federal assistance is vital."


    Harry Reid has said something I agree with...
  • Sue D. Posted Apr 23, 2008 by  Sue D.
    #2
    Thanks to Debra for alerting me to the part about the FLDS men possibly getting out of dodge, so to speak.
  • Sue D. Posted Apr 23, 2008 by  Sue D.
    #3
    @ Mr Garibaldi
    I'll be damned, I'm looking in the sky for lightning and catastrophic, apocalyptic weather signs.

    Harry Reid has said something I agree with...


    Mike, I also agree with him, to a point..... I do think local state authorities in multiple states have been turning a blind eye to the polygamy and child abuse for years. I also think they need to do more than "watch" Texas to see what is going to happen.

    Maybe the Feds should just hold the locals responsible for not enforcing the laws... but if Reid is suggesting (and I am looking for the full letter to link to) that the feds take over completely.... that is going to pose a huge problem and start even more controversy than already surrounds this case.

    Then again, someone has to enforce the laws and stop the child sexual abuse.

    The latest numbers are showing 12-18 underage pregnant girls in custody, so it is evident to anyone not blind, there was massive abuse going on at that ranch.
  • avatar Posted Apr 23, 2008 by  Samantha A. Torrence
    #4
    Susan I just watched on Dr. Phil today that the YfZ Ranch lied to the mayor of Eldorado and claimed thier ranch was going to be a business retreat for companies and business men. The purchase of the ranch area was under false pretenses. I found the underhandedness of it all disturbing.

    The mayor said there was nothing they could do unless there was proof of illegal activity, and the call to the abuse hotline established probable cause for them to at least investigate, then what the guys witnessed gaved them a second warrant... I mean it falls in place from there.

    This is such a wierd case, so many different angles one needs to look at.
  • Sue D. Posted Apr 23, 2008 by  Sue D.
    #5
    @ Samantha A. Torrence
    Susan I just watched on Dr. Phil today that the YfZ Ranch lied to the mayor of Eldorado and claimed thier ranch was going to be a business retreat for companies and business men. The purchase of the ranch area was under false pretenses. I found the underhandedness of it all disturbing.

    The mayor said there was nothing they could do unless there was proof of illegal activity, and the call to the abuse hotline established probable cause for them to at least investigate, then what the guys witnessed gaved them a second warrant... I mean it falls in place from there.

    This is such a wierd case, so many different angles one needs to look at.


    Yes there are quite a few different angles. The false reason for the ranch given, the fact that originally the FLDS embers told authorities 250 people were living there...well that was obviously a lie.

    The amount of years the local authorities knew what was going on from witnesses, escapees and former members, and yet just turned a blind eye and continued to let these children be sexually abused, in multiple states.

    If it all isn't enough information, now Reid wants to add the Feds to the mix. I can see his point, I really can!

    I just know the controversy is going to be a nightmare once they start Federal investigations into polygamy, child abuse and underage "spiritual" marriages and pregnancies.
  • avatar Posted Apr 23, 2008 by  Mr Garibaldi
    #6
    No, there's no way in hell the feds should take over the investigation, but they should be there on site as a coordinating point for data and information.
  • Sue D. Posted Apr 23, 2008 by  Sue D.
    #7
    @ Mr Garibaldi
    No, there's no way in hell the feds should take over the investigation, but they should be there on site as a coordinating point for data and information.


    I can agree with that.

    Perhaps also if the investigate, they can make sure other states stop turning a blind eye on illegal activities.
  • avatar Posted Apr 23, 2008 by  Chris V. (cgull)
    #8
    @ Sue D.
    I can agree with that.

    Perhaps also if the investigate, they can make sure other states stop turning a blind eye on illegal activities.
    I hope they don't have similar sites elsewhere.
  • Sue D. Posted Apr 23, 2008 by  Sue D.
    #9
    @ Chris V. (cgull)
    I hope they don't have similar sites elsewhere.


    Cgull, there have been complaints about the Utah site, the Arizona site and the Canada site.

    The complaint have been largely ignored....even the Utah's Attorney General Mark Shurtleff, the man that spoke to Texas legislators get them to strengthen the laws against bigamy and child marriages, said, "Imagine a community run as a theocracy, where women are considered nothing but property, where women have two purposes -- to please their man sexually and have children."

    He went farther in another piece, criticizing his own state and Arizona:

    But there’s ample evidence that what they were overlooking was infinitely more disturbing: A creepy authoritarian cult that favored older men with sexual access to underage girls in the guise of multiple "spiritual wives." An isolated community where children are conditioned from infancy to accept abuse and degradation. A self-governed, self-policing enclave that ignores the laws and safeguards that regulate most of us.

    "The fact that this has been going on all these years, and the fact that justice has not been there to protect women and children … from amazing civil rights violations – it is an embarrassment," Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff told the Los Angeles Times in 2006. "I don’t want to indict the states of Utah and Arizona, but mea culpa – we are responsible."


    He admits the evidence is there and has been ignored.
  • avatar Posted Apr 23, 2008 by  Nikki W (karateblossom)
    #10
    And the plot thickens, eh suzyQ? I was not genuinely amazed that some skipped state to avoid dna conviction.

    Sam-that is bad news if they told a few stretched truths to obtain such a 'home'.

    I still cannot get over that grass! so so green.

    I will be scarce for a few days with family in tow so suzyQ, I apologize in advance if I'm brief or infrequent. :)
  • avatar Posted Apr 24, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #11
    I don't think that the feds should jump into the act either, not at this point. Let TX do what they need to do, ya know?

    You are welcome, Susan. I found it really interesting yet disturbing that some of the men and women are getting out of dodge. That speaks volumes.
  • Sue D. Posted Apr 24, 2008 by  Sue D.
    #12
    @ Nikki W (karateblossom)
    And the plot thickens, eh suzyQ? I was not genuinely amazed that some skipped state to avoid dna conviction.

    Sam-that is bad news if they told a few stretched truths to obtain such a 'home'.

    I still cannot get over that grass! so so green.

    I will be scarce for a few days with family in tow so suzyQ, I apologize in advance if I'm brief or infrequent. :)


    Have fun with the family.



    @ Debra Myers (skyangel)
    I don't think that the feds should jump into the act either, not at this point. Let TX do what they need to do, ya know?

    You are welcome, Susan. I found it really interesting yet disturbing that some of the men and women are getting out of dodge. That speaks volumes.


    Yeah, it does speak volumes.

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