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Accommodations and Education For The FLDS Children- Women and Children Being Moved

Posted Apr 22, 2008 by  Susan Duclos in Lifestyle | 16 comments | 428 views
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With the DNA tests being conducted, CPS finding placement for 437 children removed from the FLDS compound in Eldorado and news of Canadian children now in Texas state custody, questions of education for those children are now being answered.
An earlier Digital Journal.com piece shows new information being reported about Canadian children that were residing at the Yearning for Zion Ranch as well as an update on the DNA testing and the state having established that they had more underage mothers than originally thought.

Many issues have had to be dealt with at once and one of which that hasn't been addressed as of yet, is the education of the 437 children that the state of Texas is now responsible for providing.

Officials from the Alvin Independent School District (ISD) are meeting with Texas Education Agency officials to discuss the possibility as well as the difficulties of enrolling the children in school.

This difficulty is being compounded by a lack of documentation for the children that is usually needed to enroll a child in school, from Social Security cards, immunization records, educational record and even birth certificates.

According to Education Week (subscription needed for full article), days after the children were taken into custody after Child Protective Services determined they were in imminent risk of abuse if they were allowed to stay on the FLDS compound, San Angelo Independent School District organized the delivery of four truckloads of school supplies and textbooks to shelters where the children were staying in San Angelo.

This week teachers from the district began teaching art, math, and physical education.

After Judge Barbara Walther ruled that the children would be kept in state custody for 60 days, arrangements started being made to place the children into shelters and foster care, which led those shelters to contact the Education officials to discuss having the children enrolled for school.

One such example is Jim H. Green Kidz Harbor shelter in Liverpool, which is located on a six-acre tract on the banks of Chocolate Bayou, who was notified that their services might be need in housing approximately 40 of the children in Texas state care, that contacted the school district officials to discuss enrollment because children at that shelter must be enrolled in school.

Alvin ISD spokeswoman, Shirley Brothers, said, "We have been informed there is a possibility youngsters from West Texas would be placed at a facility in Brazoria County", she goes on to say, "We have asked the Texas Education Agency for direction."

She said the district plans to test and assess the educational needs of each of the new arrivals and place them in the school programs they need.

The same process was used for about 150 students who arrived in the district after Hurricane Katrina in 2005, Brothers said.


The Texas CPS has said that the majority of the children from the sect will not go into traditional foster care homes, but instead will be placed in larger residential facilities to enable CPS to keep larger groups of the children together whenever possible.

Greg Cunningham, spokesman for the Department of Family and Protective Services, says that since some of the children have up to 20 siblings, "They won't be going to a two-bedroom home with a mom and a dad. We're trying to keep them in larger groups."

In the same article quoted above, there are issues of Texas states policy and lack of any oversight into private schools or home schooled children with a regents' professor at the Mary Lou Fulton College of Education at Arizona State University, David C. Berliner, criticizing the state of Texas for such a hands-off policy, by saying, "Walking away from such responsibility is cowardly. Texans should be ashamed of their lack of oversight."

That point is countered by David Bradley, who is a State Board of Education member, who counters with, "They didn't go in there and raid the place because the kids weren't getting an education."

Kidz Harbor, in preparation for the possibility that it may receive at least 40 children, asked area businesses Monday for donations such as towels, bedding, furniture and toiletries.

In the meantime, there is activity outside and within the coliseum where the children are being housed while DNA testing is being done, where buses were sighted on the San Angelo Coliseum grounds, being loaded with bottled water, food, women and children and the fairgrounds are on "lock-down" with no one being allowed to enter except emergency personnel.

Texas Child Protective Services have refused to provide details on where they are moving the women and children.

Greg Cunningham, a spokesman for the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, said that more information would be released later today, saying only, "We are not discussing the topic of moving children."

The last news brief on the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services' website was yesterday where they did say that once DNA testing was complete and the court finalizes the order, the children's placement will be handled, and that the will keep teenage girls and their children together, and sibling groups together as much as possible.

They also state that once, "in foster care, DFPS will begin evaluating the educational, healthcare and counseling needs of each child and create a service plan for each child."

[Update] Judge Walther did sign the finalized order for children to start being placed into their temporary foster homes, and those buses at the coliseum were taking them there, until individual custody hearings can be held.



Updates will be added as more information comes out.
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  • avatar Posted Apr 22, 2008 by  Mr Garibaldi
    #1
    DAMN what a mess.
  • avatar Posted Apr 22, 2008 by  Susan Duclos
    #2
    @ Mr Garibaldi
    DAMN what a mess.


    yeah. It does seem though that anyone approached to help is dropping everything and getting right on it. It is helpful that so many want to assist.
  • avatar Posted Apr 22, 2008 by  Susan Duclos
    #3
    A huge thank for help with links goes to KB!!!
  • avatar Posted Apr 22, 2008 by  Chris V. (cgull)
    #4
    @ Susan Duclos
    A huge thank for help with links goes to KB!!!
    Great report, it is scary but I am glad they are trying to have the children in mind, what is best for them.
  • avatar Posted Apr 22, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #5
    These people are being forced to undergo medical treatment and submit to invasive DNA testing which is a violation of the 5th amendment right to avoid self-incrimination.

    5th Amendment: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    Are you telling me that this is legitimate to protect children even if the original premise for the raid is completely illegitimate. The phone call placed claiming abuse has been proven to be phony, but gave the state authority to enter this compound with a search warrant obtained under false pretenses? (which would place this raid in direct violation of the 4th amendment)

    The Fourth Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    And what about the First Amendment? This is a religious organization, and as such the first amendment states that
    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”

    The first, fourth and fifth amendments to the federal constitution are being blatantly ignored.

    Is this the direction you want to see this country take?

    And if your answer is yes, then I question the numerous statements which have made on multiple threads that many of you have total respect for the Constitution of the United States and are staunch defenders of such.

    Apparently if it is now being violated “for the good of the children” it is OK with you?

    Is that the general consensus here with you people?
  • avatar Posted Apr 22, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #6
    It's god that they are putting a lid on some of this, these children don't need to be ogled and questioned...so many of them probably have no idea what so ever about what's happening to them.

    This did answer some questions...thanks, Susan.
  • avatar Posted Apr 22, 2008 by  Susan Duclos
    #7
    @ Chris V. (cgull)
    Great report, it is scary but I am glad they are trying to have the children in mind, what is best for them.


    So am I Cgull. It seems that a number of people are working hard to try to provide them with everything they need as well as keeping the children/siblings together for comfort.
  • avatar Posted Apr 22, 2008 by  Susan Duclos
    #8
    @ Debra Myers (skyangel)
    It's god that they are putting a lid on some of this, these children don't need to be ogled and questioned...so many of them probably have no idea what so ever about what's happening to them.

    This did answer some questions...thanks, Susan.


    You are welcome Debra, you asked some very valid questions and I know if you are wondering, then others are as well, so I started hunting.
  • avatar Posted Apr 22, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #9
    Because this story/situation is so complex, I take the time to digest it...because there is so much to it.
  • avatar Posted Apr 22, 2008 by  Susan Duclos
    #10
    @ Debra Myers (skyangel)
    Because this story/situation is so complex, I take the time to digest it...because there is so much to it.


    Well you just keep asking questions relevant to the childrens safety and well being, and I will hunt down as many answers as I can get you.
  • avatar Posted Apr 22, 2008 by  Nikki W (karateblossom)
    #11
    @ Susan Duclos
    A huge thank for help with links goes to KB!!!

    You are much welcome Suzy Q!
  • avatar Posted Apr 22, 2008 by  Nikki W (karateblossom)
    #12
    What a unique perspective regarding this horrific situation. With all the immediate circus focusing on the the "call" and "religious persecution", the state's primary focus once they saw there was abuse was for the safety of so many children.

    Now, they have to look at the law in the state and how it applies to all children as far as education, health etc.

    This is going to be very interesting as far as education goes if these children are enrolled into public schools, even in small groups.

    Alvin TX is a very small town - got my first citation there for not wearing a seat belt! :o) I was just a teen on my way to the beach to go find some hot dudes for summer smoochin!

    Other areas of concern are healthcare - maintaining cultural sensitivity but providing basic healthcare for illness and immunizations, especially in light of those where they have no guardians after DNA results are in.

    Again SuzyQ - Bravo.
  • avatar Posted Apr 22, 2008 by  Susan Duclos
    #13
    @ Nikki W (karateblossom)
    What a unique perspective regarding this horrific situation. With all the immediate circus focusing on the the "call" and "religious persecution", the state's primary focus once they saw there was abuse was for the safety of so many children.

    Now, they have to look at the law in the state and how it applies to all children as far as education, health etc.

    This is going to be very interesting as far as education goes if these children are enrolled into public schools, even in small groups.

    Alvin TX is a very small town - got my first citation there for not wearing a seat belt! :o) I was just a teen on my way to the beach to go find some hot dudes for summer smoochin!

    Other areas of concern are healthcare - maintaining cultural sensitivity but providing basic healthcare for illness and immunizations, especially in light of those where they have no guardians after DNA results are in.

    Again SuzyQ - Bravo.


    Thanks KB. So many legitimate aspects to this case that deal with the well being of the children once they were removed from what the judge called conditions that were "not safe for the children".

    As she pointed out about the mothers, "the mothers had placed their children at risk for abuse in the FLDS setting."
    Exactly, which is why i feel little sympathy for the mothers.

    The mothers I feel for are the ones that chose to go to a shelter rather than return to the men that sexually abused their children and those mothers, I hope, will have the opportunity to reunite with their children.

    The fact that the CPS is trying to keep the kids together in large groups, make arrangements for their education as well as healthcare and have been actively working on gathering what they needed, shows a lot of people that actually do care about the children.

    I am still looking for more information abut those removed and why it was done so today, whether DNA testing with the cheek swabs, has been completed and if they are being moved to another facility or being placed into their temporary homes.
  • avatar Posted Apr 22, 2008 by  Susan Duclos
    #14
    Update added. The children have started being moved to foster care facilities.
  • avatar Posted Apr 22, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #15
    @ Susan Duclos
    Update added. The children have started being moved to foster care facilities.


    Thanks for the update, Susan.
  • avatar Posted Apr 22, 2008 by  Susan Duclos
    #16
    @ Debra Myers (skyangel)
    Thanks for the update, Susan.


    My pleasure.

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