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A 14-year-old junior high school girl gave birth to a full-term baby in her school's bathroom. The baby was killed as she allegedly attempted to flush the crying baby down the toilet.
A student at Cedar Bayou Junior High School in Baytown Texas gave birth to a full-term baby.
According to Lt. Eric Freed the 14 year-old unidentified girl went to the restroom where she gave birth to the baby. The death of the infant is now under investigation by the Baytown police.
The eighth grade girl was alone but another student came into the restroom. When she heard the baby cry she went and told the school nurse. The nurse and the assistant principal rushed to the restroom to help. When they arrived it was too late as the girl had attempted to flush the infant down the toilet twice.
According to investigators the baby was alive when it was born. Police told KPRC Local 2 the baby was killed by the girl trying to flush the baby down the toilet.
The Harris County Medical Examiner's Office picked the baby up and the girl was taken to Baytown Hospital where she is listed in stable condition.
Detectives said the case is being treated as a homicide. The police have not said if the baby is a girl or a boy.
Kathy Clausen of the Goose Creek Independent School District said everyone that she had talked to did not even know the girl was pregnant.
Parents were sent a letter telling of the incident.
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Another disturbing case of a young girl giving birth and then killing the baby.
Susan Duclos sent me this story to see if I would want to write it.
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horrible news. no vote from me.
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This is a very sad case. Obviously the girl was either very poorly educated or retarded not to know that she could simply have left the baby at any nearby hospital or fire station no questions asked.
One wonders why, if she did not want the child, and it is fairly obvious that she did not, then why didn't she terminate the pregnancy earlier. While abortion is not a "good" option it is vastly better than what she chose. Was it opposition to abortion on the part of the community, school, parents--or what?
Sex education and, failing that, contraception would have perhaps prevented this tragic. This girl's school, family and community let her down in a very big way.
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Another disturbing case, her friends, family, boyfriend all should have monitored this girl. I agree with Lensman there has to be some sort of education at school but the parents should also involve. They are not focusing on basic things in life.
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District Household Characteristics
Number of Households 33,975
Single-Parent Households 15.1%
Adults with at Least a High School Diploma 78.7%
Adults with at Least a Bachelor's Degree 15.1%
State Tests
Schoolwide Reading Proficiency ? 83.6%
Schoolwide Math Proficiency ? 74.6%
Classroom Profile
Students Per Teacher ? 17.5
Enrollment ? 1,028
Economically Disadvantaged 61.2%
Breakdown by Ethnicity
White 34.6%
Black 19.6%
Hispanic 44.5%
Asian/Pacific Islander 1.2%
American Indian/Alaska Native 0.1%
I find in places where there is considerable economic disadvantage that kids have no options as far as birth control. They also tend to be more recless with thier decisions.
From the district handbook www.gccisd.net/Jrhigh/JS Handbook.pdf
GUIDANCE AND COUNSELING
There is a counselor on each campus who is eager to get to know each student personally and
would be happy to help with any personal problem. If students need guidance or advice in any
matter or feel they need to talk to someone other than their parent, guardian, or teacher, the
counselor is the person to see.
Areas of assistance the counselor may give in relation to personal problems include:
1. Physical health and development
2. Social relationships
3. Home and family relationships
4. Emotional behavior
There were guidance councilors available to the children for physical health and development talks. That would include sex from my understanding.
I cannot find thier curriculum posted anywhere on the net. Picasso this may be a good opportunity for you to e-mail and interview a school board member about this. =) -
cynthia, we watched this on the news last night since we live so close.
It was just aweful.
The other 8th grader from houston that gave birth this week and put the baby in the garbage can on the airplane shows a problem with concern-that ISN'T A SCHOOL ISSUE'
To equate the flushing of a live healthy newborn until it DIES to lack of education shows lack of education itself, really.
The act was probably fear but to murder out of fear is still murder and this young girl learned this lack of care for others frome somewhere other than the school!
Its not the teachers job to teach a child not to murder a baby.
Baytown is made up of oil and chemical workers (industrial plants) so you have poor uneducated families with a MINDSET.
When I educate the junior high student on dating violence in a plant town, the rate rarely drops - usually 1 or 2 will turn in their boyfriend immediately after OR a teacher will turn in the boyfriend.
BUT the parents negate the claims because it is what they do....the abused child cannot fight the forces of many.
This child may experience similar attitudes in the area of pregnancy-small town, strapped down, etc.
Not surprised at the lack of family support.
School counselors ARE NOT psychologist, they are couselors to assist students in making decisions in choosing academic classes.
Crisis couselors are usually specified for these issues but few campus locas employ them!
8th graders don't have the luxery of mobility or support like older teens.
This young woman will deal for a long time-sad.
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@ malan
horrible news. no vote from me.
Hey malan I just reported the story. I didn't have anything to do with what happened -
@ lensman67
This is a very sad case. Obviously the girl was either very poorly educated or retarded not to know that she could simply have left the baby at any nearby hospital or fire station no questions asked.
One wonders why, if she did not want the child, and it is fairly obvious that she did not, then why didn't she terminate the pregnancy earlier. While abortion is not a "good" option it is vastly better than what she chose. Was it opposition to abortion on the part of the community, school, parents--or what?
Sex education and, failing that, contraception would have perhaps prevented this tragic. This girl's school, family and community let her down in a very big way.
Thanks Lensman.
It is a very sad story that seems to be repeating itself over and over.
Whether the girl willingly had sex or was raped hasn't been told yet.
I don't know how the girl's mother could not have noticed that her daughter was pregnant especially since the baby was or was almost full-term.
Too bad the girl didn't at least talk to the school counselor. That young though I am sure that she was scared but to kill the baby, how could she do that?? -
@ Chris V. (cgull)
Another disturbing case, her friends, family, boyfriend all should have monitored this girl. I agree with Lensman there has to be some sort of education at school but the parents should also involve. They are not focusing on basic things in life.
It is disturbing cgull and the story keeps being repeated.
@ Samantha A. Torrence
I find in places where there is considerable economic disadvantage that kids have no options as far as birth control. They also tend to be more recless with thier decisions.
From the district handbook www.gccisd.net/Jrhigh/JS Handbook.pdf
There were guidance councilors available to the children for physical health and development talks. That would include sex from my understanding.
I cannot find thier curriculum posted anywhere on the net. Picasso this may be a good opportunity for you to e-mail and interview a school board member about this. =)
I wonder if this school had birth control available for the students like it seems at least some schools are doing.
If the girl had been raped though it would be a different story. But even then she should not have killed the infant. -
@ Nikki W (karateblossom)
cynthia, we watched this on the news last night since we live so close.
It was just aweful.
The other 8th grader from houston that gave birth this week and put the baby in the garbage can on the airplane shows a problem with concern-that ISN'T A SCHOOL ISSUE'
To equate the flushing of a live healthy newborn until it DIES to lack of education shows lack of education itself, really.
The act was probably fear but to murder out of fear is still murder and this young girl learned this lack of care for others frome somewhere other than the school!
Its not the teachers job to teach a child not to murder a baby.
Baytown is made up of oil and chemical workers (industrial plants) so you have poor uneducated families with a MINDSET.
When I educate the junior high student on dating violence in a plant town, the rate rarely drops - usually 1 or 2 will turn in their boyfriend immediately after OR a teacher will turn in the boyfriend.
BUT the parents negate the claims because it is what they do....the abused child cannot fight the forces of many.
This child may experience similar attitudes in the area of pregnancy-small town, strapped down, etc.
Not surprised at the lack of family support.
School counselors ARE NOT psychologist, they are couselors to assist students in making decisions in choosing academic classes.
Crisis couselors are usually specified for these issues but few campus locas employ them!
8th graders don't have the luxery of mobility or support like older teens.
This young woman will deal for a long time-sad.
Thanks KB for your input.
In a case like this I cannot see this as the schools fault.
At 14 or even 4 a person knows that it is wrong to kill another person.
It wasn't even a spur of the moment decision I would think.
She knew that she was pregnant and eventually would have to deal with what she would do about the infant when it would be born. -
Very tragic. Our children are getting themselves into lose/lose situations younger every year.
Another article: Teens' pregnancies raising questions on how to cope, help-
@ LewWaters
Very tragic. Our children are getting themselves into lose/lose situations younger every year.
Another article: Teens' pregnancies raising questions on how to cope, help
Thanks Lew.
I read the article that you posted and it is an excellent one.
With a seemingly growing problem of teen pregnancies it does seem that there needs to be more education for students about sex.
It should come first from parents but there seems to be some failures there. -
Cynthia, I don't disagree with sex ed in schools, but it also removes responsibility from the parents. Too many parents have abdicated the responsibility for their children to others and shouldn't be.
From the article I linked, her school did offer contraceptives and sex ed, stressing abstinence.
I see this as a societal problem in that society has moved more to the "new morality" which is nothing more than yesterday's "immorality."
It is our kids paying for the "feel good" attitudes prevelant today.
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Jeepers, where do you get these stories from? They leave me speechless....
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@ Michelle D. (PlanetJanet)
Jeepers, where do you get these stories from? They leave me speechless....
Sad as they are, nearly every major newspaper from major metropolitan cities has them, at one time or another. -
@ LewWaters
Cynthia, I don't disagree with sex ed in schools, but it also removes responsibility from the parents. Too many parents have abdicated the responsibility for their children to others and shouldn't be.
From the article I linked, her school did offer contraceptives and sex ed, stressing abstinence.
I see this as a societal problem in that society has moved more to the "new morality" which is nothing more than yesterday's "immorality."
It is our kids paying for the "feel good" attitudes prevelant today.
You know Lew I agree with you 1000%.
If more parents would spend time teaching their children and letting them know they are always there for them.
But it is too bad that they don't teach them that they need to be responsible for their actions and that there is such a thing as right and wrong and moral and immoral. -
Well written Picasso, which I had no doubt that it would be. I understand that at 14 she was scared but in my mind it does not negate the fact that at 14, kids know the basics of right and wrong, or they should have been taught the very basics, and we can all answer for ourselves, but I know that at 14, I knew killing a living being, was wrong.
From the accounts given, that baby was alive and crying and she murdered an infant.
I find myself not having a lot of sympathy for that 14 year old right now.
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Honestly Lew, I don't see how a child from a feel good environment, even on that is way too permissive and warped would have the negative strain which encouraged killing. I can see them being self centered, maybe even a bit callous towards others, but what would drive them to be actaul murderers?
Is the permissive environment breeding sociopaths? Or is it something more like a disconnect in real relationships between parents and children due to the parents being over worked, underpaid, and stressed beyong all belief?
The economic hardship of this school is at 61% that is alot of poor people who need to make ends meet. Poverty breeds crime.
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@ Michelle D. (PlanetJanet)
Jeepers, where do you get these stories from? They leave me speechless....
I know what you mean PJ.
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@ Samantha A. Torrence
Honestly Lew, I don't see how a child from a feel good environment, even on that is way too permissive and warped would have the negative strain which encouraged killing. I can see them being self centered, maybe even a bit callous towards others, but what would drive them to be actaul murderers?
Is the permissive environment breeding sociopaths? Or is it something more like a disconnect in real relationships between parents and children due to the parents being over worked, underpaid, and stressed beyong all belief?
The economic hardship of this school is at 61% that is alot of poor people who need to make ends meet. Poverty breeds crime.
Sam, no generation has been economically disadvantaged as was those during the Great Depression. Yet, they didn't resort to this sort of conduct.
Sadly, I don't believe there is a one single answer or cause, but a combination of things. -
@ Susan Duclos
Well written Picasso, which I had no doubt that it would be. I understand that at 14 she was scared but in my mind it does not negate the fact that at 14, kids know the basics of right and wrong, or they should have been taught the very basics, and we can all answer for ourselves, but I know that at 14, I knew killing a living being, was wrong.
From the accounts given, that baby was alive and crying and she murdered an infant.
I find myself not having a lot of sympathy for that 14 year old right now.
Thanks Susan.
You know I am going to say something and as they say "Let the chips fall where they may" or something like that.:-)
In this day and age where abortion is no longer seen as wrong could that be a part of the problem? If you can kill a baby before it is born you have removed the sanctity of life as far as I am concerned.
I will go one step further what is the difference of killing a baby before it is born or right after it is born???? -
That is a very good point picasso. I am frustrated that we practice abortion in the barbaric way we do. I think that people need to understand abortion is for emergencies, not birth control. We really as a society have failed this girl because she was not prepared to deal with the consiquences of her actions in a positive manner that respected life and others. I hope she wasn't raped because this alone is going to be a burden on her for the rest of her life. Dealign with a rape too woudl be far worse.
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@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]
Thanks Susan.
You know I am going to say something and as they say "Let the chips fall where they may" or something like that.:-)
In this day and age where abortion is no longer seen as wrong could that be a part of the problem? If you can kill a baby before it is born you have removed the sanctity of life as far as I am concerned.
I will go one step further what is the difference of killing a baby before it is born or right after it is born????
That has been my point for a very long time regarding the partial birth abortion issue.
I did a few pieces on it, and if you look at the graphics, it really does show how young girls might get the impression that killing infants is no different.
I still maintain, 14 year olds, no matter how immature, understand killing is wrong. -
Susan, this girl needs a mental evaluation. While they cannot diagnose a sociopath at 14, they can show if she has tendencies.
There is a difference between being taught what right and wrong is, and understanding what is right, what is wrong and feeling the conviction of it. Some people are born without that ability, or are conditioned into that state of mind. Killing a helpless infant to me shows she needs to be mentally evaluated to see if she is a further danger to society, or if she is just indeed completely ignorant.
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@ Samantha A. Torrence
That is a very good point picasso. I am frustrated that we practice abortion in the barbaric way we do. I think that people need to understand abortion is for emergencies, not birth control. We really as a society have failed this girl because she was not prepared to deal with the consiquences of her actions in a positive manner that respected life and others. I hope she wasn't raped because this alone is going to be a burden on her for the rest of her life. Dealign with a rape too woudl be far worse.
You know Sam when I watch a video of a BABY being ripped out of the body of a woman body part by body part it makes me sick. That woman should be the BABY's mother not someone who is consenting to have her BABY murdered in a horrible manner!!! What the heck is wrong with people????
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@ Samantha A. Torrence
Susan, this girl needs a mental evaluation. While they cannot diagnose a sociopath at 14, they can show if she has tendencies.
There is a difference between being taught what right and wrong is, and understanding what is right, what is wrong and feeling the conviction of it. Some people are born without that ability, or are conditioned into that state of mind. Killing a helpless infant to me shows she needs to be mentally evaluated to see if she is a further danger to society, or if she is just indeed completely ignorant.
No argument from me on her needing mental evaluation, but I also believe she needs to be held accountable.
Bad enough that babies are having babies, but now babies are kiling babies.
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@ Susan Duclos
That has been my point for a very long time regarding the partial birth abortion issue.
I did a few pieces on it, and if you look at the graphics, it really does show how young girls might get the impression that killing infants is no different.
I still maintain, 14 year olds, no matter how immature, understand killing is wrong.
Susan how can anyone but a mass murderer do such a thing to an unborn BABY? -
@ Samantha A. Torrence
Susan, this girl needs a mental evaluation. While they cannot diagnose a sociopath at 14, they can show if she has tendencies.
There is a difference between being taught what right and wrong is, and understanding what is right, what is wrong and feeling the conviction of it. Some people are born without that ability, or are conditioned into that state of mind. Killing a helpless infant to me shows she needs to be mentally evaluated to see if she is a further danger to society, or if she is just indeed completely ignorant.
@ Susan Duclos
No argument from me on her needing mental evaluation, but I also believe she needs to be held accountable.
Bad enough that babies are having babies, but now babies are kiling babies.
It sickens me to no end.
She does need a mental evaluation but even more than that she somehow needs to be made aware that what she did is wrong and the she killed that baby.
She does need to be held accountable because SHE made the decision to kill her baby. -
@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]
Susan how can anyone but a mass murderer do such a thing to an unborn BABY?
No idea Picasso. I have always come out strongly against late term abortions aka partial birth abortions because they patially deliver a living, moving baby and kill them in the manner you see in those graphics... to me, that is murder and the society by even having the conversation about whether THAT is right or wrong, seems to be a factor in making others, young girls for example, seeing infantcide and nothing different. -
@ Susan Duclos
No idea Picasso. I have always come out strongly against late term abortions aka partial birth abortions because they patially deliver a living, moving baby and kill them in the manner you see in those graphics... to me, that is murder and the society by even having the conversation about whether THAT is right or wrong, seems to be a factor in making others, young girls for example, seeing infantcide and nothing different.
Couldn't have said it better myself. -
@ Samantha A. Torrence
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Thanks. -
I see the word "abortion" as a misnomer
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I just read something in the book of Proverbs which is a book filled with wisdom.
"Train up a child in the way he should go---"
A lot of wisdom there but something that seems to be lacking.
A parent should take their job seriously and not just "raise" their kids but "train" them.
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@ lensman67
This is a very sad case. Obviously the girl was either very poorly educated or retarded not to know that she could simply have left the baby at any nearby hospital or fire station no questions asked.
One wonders why, if she did not want the child, and it is fairly obvious that she did not, then why didn't she terminate the pregnancy earlier. While abortion is not a "good" option it is vastly better than what she chose. Was it opposition to abortion on the part of the community, school, parents--or what?
Sex education and, failing that, contraception would have perhaps prevented this tragic. This girl's school, family and community let her down in a very big way. -
@ lensman67
This is a very sad case. Obviously the girl was either very poorly educated or retarded not to know that she could simply have left the baby at any nearby hospital or fire station no questions asked.
One wonders why, if she did not want the child, and it is fairly obvious that she did not, then why didn't she terminate the pregnancy earlier. While abortion is not a "good" option it is vastly better than what she chose. Was it opposition to abortion on the part of the community, school, parents--or what?
Sex education and, failing that, contraception would have perhaps prevented this tragic. This girl's school, family and community let her down in a very big way.
We're talking about a 14-YEAR-OLD CHILD. Parents who do not educate their children regarding these matters, and take responsibility for what they are reading in magazines, watching on TV and in the movies, as well as who they are associating with, where they are and what they are doing, are responsible for these types of tragedy. Children these days are subjected to SEX, SEX, SEX, from the day they are born. When I used to visit my daughter's house, I would turn over magazines with SEX in the titles of articles written for adults, and move them to the bottom of the pile, so they wouldn't be the first thing that her young daughters would see when they walked into the house. It's a sin and a shame! -
This is getting so common anymore that I am also left speechless. I have to agree that at 14, these young girls DO know the difference between right and wrong. And murder is still murder because they know this difference.
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I know I'm a little behind on all the news, but this is ridiculous! And the part about "no one" even knowing the girl was pregnant...that's even more sad.
how sad :-(
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