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Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Nathalie C in Technology | 66 comments | 752 views
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A new study unveiled at the British Psychological Society's Annual Conference in Dublin today finds no basis to a systematic link between video gaming and violent behaviour. In fact, violent gaming actually leaves most players relaxed.
What happens with regular gamers who indulge in games with violent tendencies, such as the study’s World of Warcraft, is a kind of catharsis. This means that players release negative and violent energy within the game instead of in the real world, rather than harbouring it indefinitely.

"There were actually higher levels of relaxation before and after playing the game as opposed to experiencing anger but this did very much depend on personality type,” said Jane Barnett, a Middlesex University doctoral psychology student and lead researcher on the project.


The research project studied 292 male and female online gamers as they played massive multiplayer online game World of Warcraft. With a gamer sample ranging from 12 to 83 years of age, the study hopes to provide a well rounded picture of the impact violent games can have on individuals.

Subjects in the study were asked to complete a questionnaire on anger, aggression and personality and then played the game for two hours. After this time they were they were asked to complete the test again.

While the overall perception was that players were left relaxed and calm prior and following a WoW session, Barnett does point out differences between sex and age groups. The nature of these variations is yet to be made public.

A number of studies have linked video game violence and real world violence in recent years. However, there are also several reports arguing the opposite. While consensus on the issue remains to be reached, Barnett hopes her research will help identify those who do experience an anger response.

"This will help us to develop a emotion [sic] and gaming questionnaire to help distinguish the type of gamer who is likely to transfer their online aggression into everyday life," Barnett said.


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  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Navin Vaswani
    #1
    Excellent post Nathalie...it's a very interesting topic...video games and their players get a bad wrap
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Nathalie C
    #2
    Thanks Navin!
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Chris V. (cgull)
    #3
    This is true, many of my friends are avid gamers, they used to play long hours and had a Zen like attitude :), others who didn't play games used to be angrier than them.
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Samantha A. Torrence
    #4
    I dunno there were times when I got PKed in Ultima Online that I wanted to reach out and slap a .... well you know...
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #5
    I'd be very interested to know exactly who funded the study - my guess would be the game manufacturers......
  • atroxodisse Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  atroxodisse
    #6
    @ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    I'd be very interested to know exactly who funded the study - my guess would be the game manufacturers......

    Can't live with the facts so you make false allegations. The study was most likely funded by the school which is funded by the government and student tuition.
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #7
    @ atroxodisse
    Can't live with the facts so you make false allegations. The study was most likely funded by the school which is funded by the government and student tuition.

    Note I said "my guess" which is exactly what your response to my statement was - a guess.......
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Nikki W (karateblossom)
    #8
    still doesn't subtantiate lack of parental monitoring for kids-no violence / low violence
  • atroxodisse Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  atroxodisse
    #9
    @ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    Note I said "my guess" which is exactly what your response to my statement was - a guess.......

    Did you actually make any effort to find out the truth or decide the study was false because you didn't like what it said? Your remark was obviously not just "a guess". It was a comment on the likelihood that the study was correct.
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Can Tran (TFactor)
    #10
    That should shut people like Jack Thompson up.
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #11
    @ atroxodisse
    Did you actually make any effort to find out the truth or decide the study was false because you didn't like what it said? Your remark was obviously not just "a guess". It was a comment on the likelihood that the study was correct.

    No - I did not. Since I didn't post the article I didn't feel it was my obligation to research the source of funding for the study. I simply stated my hypothesis, which apparently got your undies in a bunch for some reason. I don't play video games, but I do believe that the violence in them is unnecessary and don't buy into the study stating that it is actually "calming" to the participant. That just sounds like a load of BS to me, and I would really like it if those of you that are all into video games would prove me wrong.....
  • atroxodisse Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  atroxodisse
    #12
    @ Can Tran (TFactor)
    That should shut people like Jack Thompson up.

    Hehe. He's been shut up by the judicial system. He can't practice in Florida anymore.
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Nikki W (karateblossom)
    #13
    sorry nat- good article.I'm on mobile and bus arrived for 5yo so sent before I finished.

    But for adults, I think it is a small step on the positive.

    MAture healthy minds get lumped with the impressionable or mentally ill and those groups are gamers as well

    Like nav said, gamers get a bad rep and this hopefully will help take some of that away

    My 14 yo still doesn't totally get why M games aren't ok but he is ok with the rules and the violence isn't cool with him so when he is of age and buys his owñ he can play M
  • atroxodisse Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  atroxodisse
    #14
    @ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    No - I did not. Since I didn't post the article I didn't feel it was my obligation to research the source of funding for the study. I simply stated my hypothesis, which apparently got your undies in a bunch for some reason. I don't play video games, but I do believe that the violence in them is unnecessary and don't buy into the study stating that it is actually "calming" to the participant. That just sounds like a load of BS to me, and I would really like it if those of you that are all into video games would prove me wrong.....

    It's pretty easy to make judgments when you DON'T EVEN PLAY GAMES. What the hell. It's like you telling me what it's like to get high if you've never smoked pot. You have no idea what you're talking about. A great many studies have proved you wrong. Not to mention the millions of gamers who will tell you that playing games is very calming. I have played the most ridiculously violent games, though not the most extreme ones, and I have never committed an act of violence (outside of hockey), nor do I have the urge to do so. I've been playing games since I was a child. If you're going to make a comment, at least make some effort to ensure you're correct. What gets my undies in a bunch is people without a clue sharing their uninformed opinion.
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #15
    Research published in 2000 demonstrates that playing violent video games can increase a person's aggressive thoughts, feelings, and behavior. Two studies by psychologists Craig Anderson and Karen Dill published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology looked at the effects of violent video games in the lab and in real life. This powerful combination of two studies presents persuasive evidence that violent video games do indeed increase aggression in some players.

    Guess the research results depend on who is doing the research - or who is paying for it....since this study is in total contradiction to the one recently published. Am I to believe that since it was done 7 years ago "gamers" have evolved to some higher level or ????? I am sure I could post dozens and dozens of studies conducted over the years in total disagreement with the one posted here. Just because I don't play video games doesn't mean I can't have an opinion, nor have studied or read about the topic......
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Samantha A. Torrence
    #16
    In reality there are many kinds of gamers, my husband found a study from long ago which shows that the gaming population has less instances of mental illness than the general population. I wish I could find the study.

    Gaming calms me, it is a great way of releasing bottled up stress, aggression, and creativity. There are others who cannot handle gaming, but I personally beleive they were cracked to begin with.
  • atroxodisse Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  atroxodisse
    #17
    @ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    Just because I don't play video games doesn't mean I can't have an opinion...

    No, it just means your opinion is uninformed.

    Study 1: Video Game Violence in the Real World
    Absolute crap. Of course people who like violence are going to play more violent games.

    Study 2: Video Game Violence in the Lab
    Even more of a joke. Blasting someone with a horn because you lost does not equate to violence. Playing a competitive game obviously leads to aggressive behavior during the game. Anyone who has played a 2 player game can attest to that.
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #18
    @ atroxodisse
    No, it just means your opinion is uninformed.

    Study 1: Video Game Violence in the Real World
    Absolute crap. Of course people who like violence are going to play more violent games.

    Study 2: Video Game Violence in the Lab
    Even more of a joke. Blasting someone with a horn because you lost does not equate to violence. Playing a competitive game obviously leads to aggressive behavior during the game. Anyone who has played a 2 player game can attest to that.

    Obviously you are truly obsessed over your need and desire for video games......good for you. I had a GREAT video I wanted to post to this thread, but just found out it isn't allowed. I won't bother posting the link because I am sure you wouldn't bother watching it, or if you did you would just rip on it. Maybe the aggression you are exhibiting here is a result of your many years of gaming?
    And Sam, hey, you are the queen of "amarants" - ever wonder if all of those violent games you tell yourself are calming you could be having a totally different effect?

    Oh well, what the heck, here is the link to the video in case anyone is interested.
  • atroxodisse Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  atroxodisse
    #19
    @ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    Obviously you are truly obsessed over your need and desire for video games......good for you.

    We all have our addictions. Your comments and any study showing the link between games and violence will never stop anyone from playing games, legally speaking. I'm not sure why you have a problem with me "ripping" on an outside source you post. It's obviously necessary to proper discussion to critically examine any source of information. I watched your video. It didn't have any evidence in it. It was all opinion. No facts, no data. Except that half of US citizens play games, which is actually an argument against your point, since half of US citizens aren't committing violent crimes.
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #20
    I went in search of the actual source of this article since the link provided merely takes you to Natalie's blog, and there is no link from there to the actual article being quoted.

    I then searched for the source - the British Psychological Society Annual meeting - and found this page.
    I reviewed the speakers, the submissions and typed "video games" into their archive search and found only one article regarding video games and the link to violence in children dated back in 2000. My question is - where is the actual source and article used to post this here on DJ? Can anyone help me find it? Thanks in advance.
    (just doing what you asked Atrox)
  • atroxodisse Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  atroxodisse
    #21
    @ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    I went in search of the actual source of this article since the link provided merely takes you to Natalie's blog, and there is no link from there to the actual article being quoted.

    I then searched for the source - the British Psychological Society Annual meeting - and found this page.
    I reviewed the speakers, the submissions and typed "video games" into their archive search and found only one article regarding video games and the link to violence in children dated back in 2000. My question is - where is the actual source and article used to post this here on DJ? Can anyone help me find it? Thanks in advance.
    (just doing what you asked Atrox)

    I had the same concern so I searched on Google News and found a number of sources. My search terms were "British Psychological Society warcraft"
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Samantha A. Torrence
    #22
    And Sam, hey, you are the queen of "amarants" - ever wonder if all of those violent games you tell yourself are calming you could be having a totally different effect?


    nah I was cracked to begin with... lmao

    In reality the Internet and dealing with narcissistic asshats makes me aggressive. * giggle* I am actually very sweet and rather shy in person.
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #23
    @ atroxodisse
    We all have our addictions. Your comments and any study showing the link between games and violence will never stop anyone from playing games, legally speaking. I'm not sure why you have a problem with me "ripping" on an outside source you post. It's obviously necessary to proper discussion to critically examine any source of information. I watched your video. It didn't have any evidence in it. It was all opinion. No facts, no data. Except that half of US citizens play games, which is actually an argument against your point, since half of US citizens aren't committing violent crimes.

    I'm not trying to ban them or stop anyone from playing them. I just question this article saying that they are "calming" and that there is no link whatsoever between violent games and violent behavior in children. Sorry if that bothers you, but I just see no real positive benefit from children, or adults for that matter, sitting in front of a tv screen, (which keeps getting bigger in size and quality) and blowing people up, chopping off heads, stealing cars or whatever the hell else you people do under the guise of "entertainment".
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #24
    @ atroxodisse
    I had the same concern so I searched on Google News and found a number of sources. My search terms were "British Psychological Society warcraft"

    Care to provide a link or two? I typed "warcraft" into the BPS search engine - nothing.

    I typed that into the yahoo search engine and all I found were all kinds of gamer site blogs posting this supposed study, but not a single link to the source.
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Samantha A. Torrence
    #25
    @ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    I'm not trying to ban them or stop anyone from playing them. I just question this article saying that they are "calming" and that there is no link whatsoever between violent games and violent behavior in children. Sorry if that bothers you, but I just see no real positive benefit from children, or adults for that matter, sitting in front of a tv screen, (which keeps getting bigger in size and quality) and blowing people up, chopping off heads, stealing cars or whatever the hell else you people do under the guise of "entertainment".



    There is far more to video games than that. UO, EverQuest, and WoW all have other aspects to the game that do not require hack and slash. Some people opt for crafting, animal taming, and becomming merchants. Some become healers and heal thier party. for the most part there is only consentual Player on Player game play and rather more Player Vs. Environment which is made up of fantastical characters for the most part. I think you are thinking about Grand Theft Auto. I don't like the game all that much anymore. The nitty gritty game I play is the Godfather, and yes you shoot other mobsters in it, steal cars, and other such stuff while you play the storyline from the movie.
  • atroxodisse Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  atroxodisse
    #26
    @ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    Care to provide a link or two? I typed "warcraft" into the BPS search engine - nothing.

    I typed that into the yahoo search engine and all I found were all kinds of gamer site blogs posting this supposed study, but not a single link to the source.

    Here is the google search.
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #27
    @ atroxodisse
    Here is the google search.

    Yes, it is true that this supposed report by this group has been all over the internet on gamer blogs everywhere - however, don't you find it rather odd that when you type any keyword that could possibly relate to this supposed report directly into the BPS search engine you come up with nothing?! People are posting all kinds of quotes regarding the number of people studied, etc......but the BPS website has nothing whatsoever. I am sorry, but something doesn't make sense to me here.
    I would like you to locate the ORIGINAL article released by the BPS that is being used to post these subsequent articles. Can you find that? I have tried - I can't.
  • atroxodisse Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  atroxodisse
    #28
    @ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    I'm not trying to ban them or stop anyone from playing them. I just question this article saying that they are "calming" and that there is no link whatsoever between violent games and violent behavior in children. Sorry if that bothers you, but I just see no real positive benefit from children, or adults for that matter, sitting in front of a tv screen, (which keeps getting bigger in size and quality) and blowing people up, chopping off heads, stealing cars or whatever the hell else you people do under the guise of "entertainment".

    I don't plan on letting my young children play extremely violent games like GTA but I really don't think a normal child is going to become a violent person over something like warcraft. It's the same reason you don't take your 8 year old to a violent movie. But a teenager playing GTA isn't going to become violent because of the game, the fact is, if they act out like that it's because they're already violent. Adults are perfectly capable of making rational decisions. Games don't make them violent. Games may make them aggressive while they're playing but when the experience is over they know it was just a game. This is no different from experiencing a violent movie.
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #29
    @ atroxodisse
    I don't plan on letting my young children play extremely violent games like GTA but I really don't think a normal child is going to become a violent person over something like warcraft. It's the same reason you don't take your 8 year old to a violent movie. But a teenager playing GTA isn't going to become violent because of the game, the fact is, if they act out like that it's because they're already violent. Adults are perfectly capable of making rational decisions. Games don't make them violent. Games may make them aggressive while they're playing but when the experience is over they know it was just a game. This is no different from experiencing a violent movie.

    You forgot to add "in my opinion".....

    I'll watch for the original source once you locate it. I can't find it anywhere.
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #30
    Here is a link to Jane Barnett's page at Middlesex University - there is no mention at the bottom of her supposed study on this topic.......wouldn't you think it would be listed? I suppose they could have just not gotten around to it?
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Samantha A. Torrence
    #31
    http://www.mdx.ac.uk/hssc/staff/profiles/academic/barnettj.asp

    the person who conducted the study you can e-mail her for confirmation here j.barnett@mdx.ac.uk
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #32
    I went to the Middlesex University site and researched all of the studies they have conducted - I could find NOTHING regarding video games or games or violence or anything.

    Pretty weird !?!?
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Samantha A. Torrence
    #33
    very wierd because I am finding mention of this study everywhere on the internet.
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #34
    @ Samantha A. Torrence
    very wierd because I am finding mention of this study everywhere on the internet.

    And all on gaming sites - I have exhausted all avenues to find the original source. There is no mention of it whatsoever on the University site, nor in the agenda for the conference. This seems really, really strange to me, and if in fact this is just BS, well, my greatest fear will have been realized. That there are things reported and posted and just "taken for granted to be factual" happening everywhere. I sure hope someone finds the original source of this article - otherwise I am going to be really creeped out! :-(
  • atroxodisse Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  atroxodisse
    #35
    @ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    And all on gaming sites - I have exhausted all avenues to find the original source. There is no mention of it whatsoever on the University site, nor in the agenda for the conference. This seems really, really strange to me, and if in fact this is just BS, well, my greatest fear will have been realized. That there are things reported and posted and just "taken for granted to be factual" happening everywhere. I sure hope someone finds the original source of this article - otherwise I am going to be really creeped out! :-(

    Where is the agenda for the conference? I found a download link but it wouldn't download...
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Carolyn E. Price (gohomelaker)
    #36
    here is the link to the program agenda.
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #37
    Hopefully this link will work - I don't see anything related to video games here - do you???
  • atroxodisse Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  atroxodisse
    #38
    @ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    Hopefully this link will work - I don't see anything related to video games here - do you???

    No but I did find this:
    The mysteries of the eel in the anus, the ejaculating quail and whether teaching statistics can ever be interesting
    Andy Field, University of Sussex
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #39
    I just went through the entire agenda for every day and found nothing regarding video games and violence. This is really freaking me out!

    Did anyone see it? If so, what day and time...........
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #40
    @ atroxodisse
    No but I did find this:
    The mysteries of the eel in the anus, the ejaculating quail and whether teaching statistics can ever be interesting
    Andy Field, University of Sussex

    Are you making that up! LOL!

    Come on Atrox - admit it. This video game is "calming" report is not on the agenda. Doesn't that just make you question what the hell we are all being told and by whom and why?!?!
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #41
    Award Lectures
    09:00-09:30
    Book Award:
    The mysteries of the eel in the anus, the ejaculating quail and whether teaching statistics can ever be interesting
    Andy Field, University of Sussex

    ROFLMAO! You weren't making it up! This is a f*cking book award! Dear Lord, what has this world come to that this would be an award winning title of a book! LOL!!
  • atroxodisse Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  atroxodisse
    #42
    @ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    Are you making that up! LOL!

    Come on Atrox - admit it. This video game is "calming" report is not on the agenda. Doesn't that just make you question what the hell we are all being told and by whom and why?!?!


    I'm not making that up. That's on the Agenda. Search in the word doc. No lie.

    And yes it worries me. Although a fair number of those symposiums are pretty vague about what they're about and who might be presenting something.
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #43
    So, is the conclusion here that this supposed report, which has gone VIRAL on the Internet on gaming sites across the globe is total bullsh*t - and was posted with the assumption that no one bothers to check sources anymore?!

    Are gamers liars, or have they just gotten busted today - and are only one of millions of people that post BS everyday on the Internet in the hopes no one will bother trying to determine whether it is true or not.

    I am feeling sort of afraid now. Geez.
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #44
    @ atroxodisse
    I'm not making that up. That's on the Agenda. Search in the word doc. No lie.

    And yes it worries me. Although a fair number of those symposiums are pretty vague about what they're about and who might be presenting something.

    Jane Barnett's name was not listed anywhere - and since she was the person who did the study, don't you think she would have gotten some sort of byline or been referenced in some way? There was nothing even remotely related to video games from what I could see.
  • atroxodisse Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  atroxodisse
    #45
    @ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    So, is the conclusion here that this supposed report, which has gone VIRAL on the Internet on gaming sites across the globe is total bullsh*t - and was posted with the assumption that no one bothers to check sources anymore?!

    Are gamers liars, or have they just gotten busted today - and are only one of millions of people that post BS everyday on the Internet in the hopes no one will bother trying to determine whether it is true or not.

    I am feeling sort of afraid now. Geez.

    I kind of already assumed bloggers are full of crap. I nearly always check sources. Perhaps I should change that to always. I'm not too worried.
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #46
    14:10 – 14:30
    Why Join and Remain in a Fringe Political Movement? – A Thematic Analysis of the Perceived Benefits of Membership of the Socialist Party

    Oh, here's a beauty!
  • atroxodisse Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  atroxodisse
    #47
    @ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    Jane Barnett's name was not listed anywhere - and since she was the person who did the study, don't you think she would have gotten some sort of byline or been referenced in some way? There was nothing even remotely related to video games from what I could see.

    A lot of the entries had no author mentioned. I know I'm grasping at straws. Maybe the thing to do would be to email her and ask her.
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #48
    @ atroxodisse
    I kind of already assumed bloggers are full of crap. I nearly always check sources. Perhaps I should change that to always. I'm not too worried.

    Well, I am. This is a major illustration of just how unreliable the media is. Consider this - DJ is a well respected new site at this point. They have been very careful to instill a sense of responsibility on the part of their CJ'rs to verify and post concise links to stories.
    This one was merely a post from a blog, and when researched has so far turned up to be total BS.
    Now, take that a step further. Consider CNN, FOX, MSNBC - they feed us stories day in and day out. Does anyone out there ever seriously follow the trail and verify much of anything they are telling us.
    This just solidifies for me that the media is probably filled with a whole lot of BS.......not a surprise to me at all, but really - I hope this will be a wake up call for alot of people out there.

    Don't believe everything you read - no matter who is writing it, or reporting it.
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #49
    @ atroxodisse
    A lot of the entries had no author mentioned. I know I'm grasping at straws. Maybe the thing to do would be to email her and ask her.

    Yea, well who ever even heard of her before. She is probably a plant! LOL.....seriously. Who can we even trust anymore. I have written stories about the shills the government has placed into situations on radio stations. We've seen the reports on how FEMA hired fake reporters to fill up the room. Who is to say this Jane Barrett is even legit. (now I am going overboard, but I can't help it. This is just so wrong in so many ways!)
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Carolyn E. Price (gohomelaker)
    #50
    Pam, you'll note the agenda was printed in January sometime. Many years ago I used to help the PR department out and conference agendas are a constantly evolving and ever changing thing, it is just that at one point in time they have to say enough just to get it pasted up and printed in time for the actual conference.

    I'm not too sure about this whole thing being BS because there is a press release on the BPS site mentioning the fact that this paper was going to be presented today.
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #51
    @ Carolyn E. Price (gohomelaker)
    Pam, you'll note the agenda was printed in January sometime. Many years ago I used to help the PR department out and conference agendas are a constantly evolving and ever changing thing, it is just that at one point in time they have to say enough just to get it pasted up and printed in time for the actual conference.

    I'm not too sure about this whole thing being BS because there is a press release on the BPS site mentioning the fact that this paper was going to be presented today.

    OMG! What a relief......I was starting to really freak out over here......wondering if my TIVO box could actually be watching me. hahahahaha......I didn't find that on the site. Sure glad you did. It must be a legit study and that is the original source.
    You win the "Sherlock Holmes Award" for the day.

    I feel better now.
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Carolyn E. Price (gohomelaker)
    #52
    Pam, go get a glass of wine, relax, assume the lotus position and say "Ommmm, please defend against that TiVo box from probing my brain while I sleep .... Ommmm".
  • atroxodisse Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  atroxodisse
    #53
    @ Carolyn E. Price (gohomelaker)
    Pam, go get a glass of wine, relax, assume the lotus position and say "Ommmm, please defend against that TiVo box from probing my brain while I sleep .... Ommmm".

    Don't you want your Tivo to probe your brain? It records your favorite programs while you sleep.
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #54
    @ Carolyn E. Price (gohomelaker)
    Pam, go get a glass of wine, relax, assume the lotus position and say "Ommmm, please defend against that TiVo box from probing my brain while I sleep .... Ommmm".

    ROFL! Yes, I think that is a good idea. I'm out of tinfoil for today anyway.

    :-)
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #55
    @ atroxodisse
    Don't you want your Tivo to probe your brain? It records your favorite programs while you sleep.

    I'm thinking I'll steer clear of the TIVO box for a while. Maybe I'll just settle in and read a good book - I hear Andy Field has just released a real page turner.
    ROFL!!
  • avatar Posted Apr 2, 2008 by  Nikki W (karateblossom)
    #56
    After reading all of your comments and passion on this topic, I had to employ my family and their opinion on this particular game versus other violent games.

    This game described by my husband closely relates to Dungeons and Dragons (my era and a favourite of mine). my Teens say it is a strategy game - not a Gods of War or San Andreas violent trash game.

    So I ask, are there variants in what we call violent games? When my teens think that this game is neat but that ones like Gods of War or Grand Theft Auto are excessively violent (self management skills are good!)

    My 11 yo plays the Sims (that is fun), They play Burnout 3, NASCAR, BrainAge, Sudoku, Chess, Medal of Honor (older kids), Jak series, Daxter, Pacman...those kinds of games.

    The 14 yo snuck in twisted metal black (VERY VIOLENT.....and horrible) but that was quickly sold to gamestop. :-)

    I don't game. Sorry, not my bag. I ring fight. I like taking it into a ring - hugging before the fight and then after....:-) Kicking ass or not, who cares - I feel so much better after and the training up to the fight is so relaxing and calming.

    My children, they game. My husband, he plays Medal of Honor on PSP but thats really it.
  • avatar Posted Apr 3, 2008 by  Nathalie C
    #57
    OK, I skipped a bunch of comments here following the madness between Atrox and Pam.

    The source of this article was a news release, here is a link:

    http://www.developmag.com/press-releases/36104/Link-between-online-gaming-and-violence-killed-off

    If you want more info, at this point you will have to call the media contacts. I didnt want to call, cause DJ doesnt pay my phone bills, so I worked with was offered there.

    I looked up Jane Barnett, she is actually a doctoral student who is specializing in the study of angression - not video games per se. Do you think she would make this up, and then try to present it in a national psychology conference???

    Come on.
  • avatar Posted Apr 3, 2008 by  Nathalie C
    #58
    @ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    Here is a link to Jane Barnett's page at Middlesex University - there is no mention at the bottom of her supposed study on this topic.......wouldn't you think it would be listed? I suppose they could have just not gotten around to it?


    The news release about this study was embargoed until yesterday at midnight, you think they update those listing in real time??? You are expecting too much of the Internet.
  • avatar Posted Apr 3, 2008 by  Nathalie C
    #59
    @ Carolyn E. Price (gohomelaker)
    Pam, you'll note the agenda was printed in January sometime. Many years ago I used to help the PR department out and conference agendas are a constantly evolving and ever changing thing, it is just that at one point in time they have to say enough just to get it pasted up and printed in time for the actual conference.

    I'm not too sure about this whole thing being BS because there is a press release on the BPS site mentioning the fact that this paper was going to be presented today.


    Thank you for this Carolyn.
  • avatar Posted Apr 3, 2008 by  Nathalie C
    #60
    @ Nikki W (karateblossom)
    After reading all of your comments and passion on this topic, I had to employ my family and their opinion on this particular game versus other violent games.

    This game described by my husband closely relates to Dungeons and Dragons (my era and a favourite of mine). my Teens say it is a strategy game - not a Gods of War or San Andreas violent trash game.

    So I ask, are there variants in what we call violent games? When my teens think that this game is neat but that ones like Gods of War or Grand Theft Auto are excessively violent (self management skills are good!)

    My 11 yo plays the Sims (that is fun), They play Burnout 3, NASCAR, BrainAge, Sudoku, Chess, Medal of Honor (older kids), Jak series, Daxter, Pacman...those kinds of games.

    The 14 yo snuck in twisted metal black (VERY VIOLENT.....and horrible) but that was quickly sold to gamestop. :-)

    I don't game. Sorry, not my bag. I ring fight. I like taking it into a ring - hugging before the fight and then after....:-) Kicking ass or not, who cares - I feel so much better after and the training up to the fight is so relaxing and calming.

    My children, they game. My husband, he plays Medal of Honor on PSP but thats really it.


    I agree with your perception here. When I read about the study I also found that WoW may not be the best example of a violent game. It has some violent elements, but other titles would have provided a better study I think.

    It would be nice to see the same study, continued with other more hardcore titles, maybe GTA or Manhunt.
  • avatar Posted Apr 3, 2008 by  S.H. Mills
    #61
    @ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    OMG! What a relief......I was starting to really freak out over here......wondering if my TIVO box could actually be watching me. hahahahaha......I didn't find that on the site. Sure glad you did. It must be a legit study and that is the original source.
    You win the "Sherlock Holmes Award" for the day.

    I feel better now.


    Wow! (no warcraft pun intended)

    Maybe some gaming would do you good, Pam.

    LOL ;)
  • atroxodisse Posted Apr 3, 2008 by  atroxodisse
    #62
    @ Nikki W (karateblossom)
    After reading all of your comments and passion on this topic, I had to employ my family and their opinion on this particular game versus other violent games.

    This game described by my husband closely relates to Dungeons and Dragons (my era and a favourite of mine). my Teens say it is a strategy game - not a Gods of War or San Andreas violent trash game.

    So I ask, are there variants in what we call violent games? When my teens think that this game is neat but that ones like Gods of War or Grand Theft Auto are excessively violent (self management skills are good!)

    My 11 yo plays the Sims (that is fun), They play Burnout 3, NASCAR, BrainAge, Sudoku, Chess, Medal of Honor (older kids), Jak series, Daxter, Pacman...those kinds of games.

    The 14 yo snuck in twisted metal black (VERY VIOLENT.....and horrible) but that was quickly sold to gamestop. :-)

    I don't game. Sorry, not my bag. I ring fight. I like taking it into a ring - hugging before the fight and then after....:-) Kicking ass or not, who cares - I feel so much better after and the training up to the fight is so relaxing and calming.

    My children, they game. My husband, he plays Medal of Honor on PSP but thats really it.

    While Warcraft depicts some violence it is pretty tame. It doesn't look at all realistic. The graphics are a bit cartoonish for a fantasy game. There's no blood.
  • avatar Posted Apr 3, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #63
    Good to see you posting again, Nat!

    Good news for all concerned!
  • avatar Posted Apr 4, 2008 by  Nathalie C
    #64
    @ Debra Myers (skyangel)
    Good to see you posting again, Nat!

    Good news for all concerned!


    Thanks Debra, nice to run into you again - virutally :)
  • avatar Posted Apr 4, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #65
    @ Nathalie C
    Thanks Debra, nice to run into you again - virutally :)


    Right back to ya...! :)
  • Jedediah Redman Posted Apr 5, 2008 by  Jedediah Redman
    #66
    @ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    No - I did not. Since I didn't post the article I didn't feel it was my obligation to research the source of funding for the study. I simply stated my hypothesis, which apparently got your undies in a bunch for some reason. I don't play video games, but I do believe that the violence in them is unnecessary and don't buy into the study stating that it is actually "calming" to the participant. That just sounds like a load of BS to me, and I would really like it if those of you that are all into video games would prove me wrong.....


    There is usually a lot more to a hypothesis than that.
    I'm guessing it would more appropriately be categorized as sour grapes...

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