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Op-Ed: The Big Picture In The Democratic Race For Nomination

Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  Susan Duclos in Politics | 23 comments | 318 views
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Recent articles, polls, statements and interviews, all give us the opportunity to see the conflict and infighting that is occurring within the Democratic party. Taken together and in context, they are painting the bigger picture.
In going through the news late last night, link after link that I was opening was showing conflict, data and statistics and news articles all discussing the Democratic party, some declaring a potential "disaster" within the Democrat party, others criticizing Hillary Clinton, some taking Nancy Pelosi to task for her recent words and some recent polls from different organizations and last and not least one about Bill Clinton and his thoughts on the negativity of within the campaigning of late.

All these articles have one thing in common..... the contest between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and what it is doing to the party as a whole.

Early March, the 4th to be exact, it was reported that Bill Nelson the Democratic Senator from Florida warned the Democratic National Committee (DNC) that the Democrats were facing the "biggest train wreck you’ve ever seen."

He was speaking about the DNC's decision to not seat any Florida delegates because Florida went against the DNC rules and moved their primaries ahead, but his statement about a trainwreck is as close to foreseeing the near future as a person can get, albeit for many more reasons than he stated.

Fast forward to today and we see another Democrat, Phil Bredesen, the two-term governor of Tennessee and an uncommitted superdelegate warning that the Democratic party needs to "avert disaster", saying, "if the contentious slog continues until the Democrats’ late-August convention in Denver, the party would have a vastly diminished chance of recapturing the White House."

Bredesen then adds, "They have a much steeper, rockier hill to climb if it goes to the convention. You’re going to spend this whole summer — and lots of money and time and effort — trying to convince people that whoever isn’t eventually nominated, isn’t electable. That’s a heck of a hole to climb out of come the first of September. What’s been going on for the last 90 days just gets worse and worse as the summer goes on."

His suggestion to avert the disaster is to hold a superdelegate primary” in June, in which the 795 party bigwigs would gather to hear one last time from Clinton and Obama before casting a final vote.

To Bredesen, an even-keeled political pragmatist, superdelegates are certain to ultimately decide the nominee, so it makes no sense for them to do it later rather than sooner.


On the other side of the issue, Hillary Clinton, in an interview with CNN, vows to go on with her campaign until the very end, which is a scenario that has some superdelegates saying that would be "devastating for the party".

Other superdelagtes are saying that Clinton's tactics against Obama are turning them off and that Clinton's campaigns tactics in recent weeks are doing more harm than good, yet they do not believe she should drop out of the race.

While the Democratic leaders, delegates and superdelegates are all expressing worry about the tactics that the Clinton campaign are using, Bill Clinton states flat out that he does not agree and said, "You know, I don't give a rip about all this name calling that's going on", he then continues with, "If a politician doesn't wanna get beat up, he shouldn't run for office. Let's just saddle up and have an argument. What's the matter with that?"

Enter Nancy Pelosi who has stated that superdelegates have an obligation to reflect the will of the voters and back the candidate with the pledged delegate lead. That would benefit Barack Obama as of right now, and that led to Clinton supporters sending Nancy Pelosi a letter admonishing her and suggesting that she rethink her position.

The majority of political pundits do not believe that it is possible, from the numbers alone, that Hillary Clinton can catch up on a pledged delegate count with Barack Obama, but depending on what the superdelegates decide to do, they could throw their weight behind either candidate and bring them to the magic number of 2,025 delegates needed for one of the candidates to win the nomination.

For those that are suggesting that Hillary Clinton step aside, what they are not looking at nor considering is that the Clinton and Obama party supporters, the voters themselves, have become just as entrenched in the fighting and their desire to see their candidate win.

In some cases, it has come to the point of "either my Democratic candidate wins or no Democratic candidate gets the vote".

Two polls released today shows some very disturbing figures that have risen since the last polls were released.

The Gallup poll shows that 28 percent of Hillary Clinton supporters state that they will vote for John McCain in the general election in November if Barack Obama wins the Democratic nomination for presidency. 19 percent of Obama supporters say that if Hillary wins the nomination, they will vote for John McCain.

The latest Rasmussen poll shows that 6% of Democratic supporters are so fed up with both campaigns they want both Democratic candidates to quit the race and that 22 percent of Democratic supporters want Hillary Clinton to withdraw and equally 22 percent of them want Barack Obama to withdraw.

The big problem for the Democrats at this moment is that no matter what happens a large group of party supporters will be unhappy and bitter and as the campaign season grinds along, and the fighting intensifies, those numbers could very well rise and fracture the party from within which has been stated by the Democratic party leaders themselves.

When you look at one article, or one poll or statements from one Democratic leader at a time, it is easy to think that things aren't as bad as that particular article is making out, but when you looks at everything together, in context, the bigger picture being painted shows a party conflicted, a party on the edge and a party that sees no end in sight to the conflict.
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  • avatar Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #1
    Even in my political illiteracy, I can see that this whole democratic race between Clinton and Obama is just blowing in the wind at this point with little chance of getting it reined back in. I know I am fairly disgusted with this nonsense!
  • avatar Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  Susan Duclos
    #2
    @ Debra Myers (skyangel)
    Even in my political illiteracy, I can see that this whole democratic race between Clinton and Obama is just blowing in the wind at this point with little chance of getting it reined back in. I know I am fairly disgusted with this nonsense!


    As are many Democratic supporters. In the meantime, McCain is in the news, shaking hands with heads of state and giving policy speeches.

    When was the last time you remember, other than a debate where moderators get to shape the issues, where one of the Democratic contenders spoke about actual policy?

    Its full of Jeremiah Wright, Hillary's Bosnia trip, discussing the infighting, attacking each other and generally ignoring all policy discussions.
  • avatar Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  Susan Duclos
    #3
    Update: ABC has a followup, which is pointing out what i just did in this article..

    From Obama:

    "A line can be crossed when you stop focusing on the American people's business, and it becomes just sport. It all becomes about winning as opposed to getting stuff done,"
  • redhawk Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  redhawk
    #4
    @ Susan Duclos
    As are many Democratic supporters. In the meantime, McCain is in the news, shaking hands with heads of state and giving policy speeches.

    When was the last time you remember, other than a debate where moderators get to shape the issues, where one of the Democratic contenders spoke about actual policy?

    Its full of Jeremiah Wright, Hillary's Bosnia trip, discussing the infighting, attacking each other and generally ignoring all policy discussions.



    Watching the last few days reamarks and states of agitation by the likes of Colmes, Oldimber,mann, Mathews, Beckel, Carville, and Barry Oh Boy with Hillery.... THEY are Lying, Spewing lies, eating their Youngs all the while Claiming the 100 years in Iraq lie about Mc Cain.. apparently unable to actually listen to the true words spoken... has the Word IMPLOSION been Ignored at this time??? Could it be that GORE/Pelosi ticket might be yet another Possibility for defeat?? and Florida and Michgan Voters do send a thank you note to Dean for excluding you from the Constitutionally given rights to VOTE!!!
  • redhawk Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  redhawk
    #5
    @ Susan Duclos
    Update: ABC has a followup, which is pointing out what i just did in this article..

    From Obama:


    What Did he say????? and BTW watch C-Span 2 at 12:30 EST for a NEWT reply to Barry Oh Boy economic diatribes of this Morning.. It could be FUN!
  • avatar Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #6
    @ Susan Duclos
    Update: ABC has a followup, which is pointing out what i just did in this article..

    From Obama:



    Yeah...it has become a mud-slinging, name-calling lie-fest for Clinton and Obama and where they should be addressing important issues they've evaporated.
  • atroxodisse Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  atroxodisse
    #7
    Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
  • avatar Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  Susan Duclos
    #8
    @ atroxodisse
    Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.


    I swear I am almost scared to ask....but who is Kodos?
  • atroxodisse Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  atroxodisse
    #9
    @ Susan Duclos
    I swear I am almost scared to ask....but who is Kodos?

    It's a quote from The Simpsons. The planet is taken over by aliens and Kang and Kodos run for President against each other.
  • avatar Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  Susan Duclos
    #10
    @ atroxodisse
    It's a quote from The Simpsons. The planet is taken over by aliens and Kang and Kodos run for President against each other.


    Thanks for explaining. I have never seen the Simpson's so I was lost as could be!!!

    Now that I know who Kodos is... that was funny. LOL
  • avatar Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  Helena Handbasket
    #11
    Great op-ed and links Susan. Thank you.

    A reference to pop culture in the thread doesn't surprise me ... lol.
  • avatar Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  Susan Duclos
    #12
    @ Helena Handbasket
    Great op-ed and links Susan. Thank you.

    A reference to pop culture in the thread doesn't surprise me ... lol.


    Thanks Helena. I had so many tabs open and after going through one by one, I was seeing the pattern, the worry, the public statements and then the polls.

    All together it puts things into perspective and I didn't even bother showing the reactions to all of those links and statements from the blogosphere, which is even more intense angry than the candidates and Democratic leaders seem to be, if thats possible.
  • avatar Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  Helena Handbasket
    #13
    @ Susan Duclos
    Thanks Helena. I had so many tabs open and after going through one by one, I was seeing the pattern, the worry, the public statements and then the polls.

    All together it puts things into perspective and I didn't even bother showing the reactions to all of those links and statements from the blogosphere, which is even more intense angry than the candidates and Democratic leaders seem to be, if thats possible.


    The comment threads are a battlefield within -- comparitively speaking. They smell defeat and with that comes a kind of desperation in dialogue if you know what I mean.
  • avatar Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #14
    @ Helena Handbasket
    smell defeat


    LMAO! Smelling de-feet! LOLOLOLOL!

    Sorry...that just hit me wrong but in a funny way! Giggle!
  • avatar Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  Helena Handbasket
    #15
    @ Debra Myers (skyangel)
    LMAO! Smelling de-feet! LOLOLOLOL!

    Sorry...that just hit me wrong but in a funny way! Giggle!


    hehehe! ...... the funny bone is unpredictable around here Sky ..... you made me check my spelling! ...... 8 )
  • avatar Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  Mr Garibaldi
    #16
    If the party is looking to "King Phil" for answers, then the democrats are in more trouble than the realize. Your cited source refers to him as pragmatic? HA! Bredesen showed Tennesseans his TRUE democrat colors after being reelected to his second, lame duck, term as Governor here in TN. He and "Queen Andrea" have come up with a multi-million dollar renovation project for the governors mansion (which they don't live in), a home that doesn't even have an appraisal value of ONE million dollars. The renovations also call for a huge 30 million (last figure I heard a couple of weeks ago, by the way) "party bunker" under the front lawn of the Governors Mansion.

    The people who actually DO live in the Green Hills neighborhood where the Governors Mansion is are more than a tad upset by the whole process and have gone to great lengths to stop it.

    Why do I mention this? It's merely one example of the corruption and "we're going to do it no matter what the public wants" attitude that seems to be steeped in the minds of many elected Democrats today.

    It's not just the Clintons and Obama, it runs to the foundations of the elected party officials as well.
  • avatar Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #17
    @ Helena Handbasket
    hehehe! ...... the funny bone is unpredictable around here Sky ..... you made me check my spelling! ...... 8 )


    ROTFL! I can just see you now, checking to see if you did mispell! Thanks for the much needed laugh! :)
  • Jedediah Redman Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  Jedediah Redman
    #18
    I'm certain the Democrats all appreciate your concern...
  • redhawk Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  redhawk
    #19
    @ atroxodisse
    It's a quote from The Simpsons. The planet is taken over by aliens and Kang and Kodos run for President against each other.

    Newt very eloquently gave Barry OH BOY a real sound Thrashing.. among other things he equated Boyo once again empty Oratory to FRAUD...
    Pointed out the Issues facing DETROIT as atotal DISASTER to What the Right Local and Civic Leaderships in NYC have done.. Sick Bureucrecy in Detroit Unwilling to chang is destroying what once was the wealthiest City in america from over 1 million residents to less that 700,000 and last year lost another 48,000 .. why?? BUG NANNY TYPE OF BUREUCRATIC WASTE GOVERNMENT AND HIGHLY UNIONIZED AND INEPT EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM.. Barry Boy gives the Issues BUT NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND NOR GIVE SOLUTIONS.. BIg nanny ain't it BOYO!!
  • redhawk Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  redhawk
    #20
    @ Jedediah Redman
    I'm certain the Democrats all appreciate your concern...

    They MIGHT .. Only IF they'd understand their PLIGHT!
  • redhawk Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  redhawk
    #21
    Newt also pinted out that Companies who are willing to Invest will avoid the USA due to high corporate taxes and unreasonable union demands. agin pointing out to Detroit whare a combination of BAD culture, High Taxes and poor work ethics will no longer prompt the Auto industry to ad new plants in Michigan.. Other Cities that provide the rigth culture, work ethics and Education system have received new auto plants ( KY, Indian, SC, Alabama, etc) and are Thriving.. Mich/Detot are a micrcosm of all that is wrong in America where inept Government, and poor education and culture are drving the State into Disaster... IE aprivate investor wanting to invest 200,00 mill for alternative schools was turned down by the Detroit education system.. WHY?? Afraid of real change which might have kept 4 of 5 student from graduation, geting jobs, and stayoing out of either jail, drug dealing or both... If anyone can get the full transcript from C-Span .. It'll open up EYES!!!
  • Jedediah Redman Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  Jedediah Redman
    #22
    Not to worry redhawk.
    Before the decider has done with this nation our workforce will be as cheap as coolies, peons, serfs or peasantsin any other third-world nation...
  • avatar Posted Mar 27, 2008 by  Helena Handbasket
    #23
    @ Jedediah Redman
    Not to worry redhawk.
    Before the decider has done with this nation our workforce will be as cheap as coolies, peons, serfs or peasantsin any other third-world nation...


    ... oh peon ... one of your symbiont brother's favourite bobblehead words.

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