Carson Wins Special Election, Will Become Second Muslim in the House

Thanks for keeping us updated Pastor!

Precisely what we need helping to run the country, another muslim mole. Another fifth column in charge.

This is wonderful news! With any luck we should have many, many more Muslims in all walks of life including the Supreme Court, Congress, the Senate and White House!

The one truism throughout American history is that we are a nation of immigrants and people of all races, religions and political persuasions are welcome. They add their diversity to our own and help to make us a better, more tolerant country and toleration is what it is all about.

Another fact about American history is that we have never yet fought a war anywhere on the planet where large numbers of the population did not end up moving to this country. About a third of my local city council is Vietnamese, a legacy of our last failed crusade.

Soon our neighborhoods will be filling up with Muslims and those who do not like that fact will just have to move to some other country. ;oP

@ Boaz
Precisely what we need helping to run the country, another muslim mole. Another fifth column in charge.

On DigitalJournal.com we are respectful of all cultures and religion. This type of commentary is not welcome. You are entitled to your opinion but comments that paint an entire culture like this certainly dont' belong.

Yes, thanks Cyber Pastor for the update. I wish him well.

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quote]@ Chris Hogg
On DigitalJournal.com we are respectful of all cultures and religion. This type of commentary is not welcome. You are entitled to your opinion but comments that paint an entire culture like this certainly dont' belong.


You need to understand
I tend to respect individuals, not cultures. cultures are really to large to judge without being immersed for a considerable time in them. When I find a Muslim person I can respect I will have no qualms about expressing that.
In the meantime in the limited exposure I have with Muslim individuals - the respect is not a happening thing. Of the six couples I know, all of the wives show up in public with bruises - oops I bumped a door types.
That does not speak well of a culture within that very limited sample.
To be fair about it, even this pop tart culture in which I live doesn't get much respect from me, only the people in the culture get that.
That lack of respect in both cases is in response to the issue of cultural non-respect rather than individual issues. Just my opinion.

lensman:

With any luck we should have many, many more Muslims in all walks of life including the Supreme Court, Congress, the Senate and White House!

Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.

Personally, as long as their allegiance is to our constitution, I don't have a problem with them. It's when one would rather impose Sharia Law on us that I oppose them.

@ LewWaters
lensman: Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.

Personally, as long as their allegiance is to our constitution, I don't have a problem with them. It's when one would rather impose Sharia Law on us that I oppose them.

I certainly hope so. There are lots of Muslims in my neighborhood and frankly I find them to be excellent neighbors and good citizens. In fact I often shop at the local halāl butcher shop since they have the best free range chickens around and the prices are excellent as well.

I am particularly grateful for the Muslims on the local school board since they team up with the Buddhists to keep the Christian Fundamentalist in check. As a result we have real science in our science classes instead of Creationist garbage. We can also go to a football game without it turning into a revival meeting.

As for law they have as much right to impose their religion as Christians have to impose theirs---none. One good thing about multiculturalism is that it helps keep down the power of those who wish to impose their beliefs on others.

Since I am getting what I wish for it is my wish that you have as many Muslims in your neighborhood as I have in mine and that they form a major part of your local government.

Given the fact that America always gets a large influx of immigrants from what ever part of the world we hold our wars in we should soon be up to our eyebrows in Muslims as a result of Bush's crackpot crusade.

Sorry to disappoint you, son, but i do know Muslims and have worked with them in the past, with no trouble.

Hate to tell you, but Christians are not "imposing" our beliefs on anyone. Laws were based off of Christian beliefs in the beginning, but liberals have seen their way to deny sound principle in favor of their anything goes attitude.

Maybe you should ask your Muslim neighbors a little about Sharia Laws. You might find out it is your lifestyle most in danger from radicals.

@ LewWaters
Sorry to disappoint you, son, but i do know Muslims and have worked with them in the past, with no trouble.

Hate to tell you, but Christians are not "imposing" our beliefs on anyone. Laws were based off of Christian beliefs in the beginning, but liberals have seen their way to deny sound principle in favor of their anything goes attitude.

Maybe you should ask your Muslim neighbors a little about Sharia Laws. You might find out it is your lifestyle most in danger from radicals.

No Lew American laws were NOT based off Christian beliefs since only a tiny minority of the country were Christians in the beginning. Only about 18% of the population considered themselves as members of ANY religion in 1776.

Before you make unsupported assumptions you might want to actually learn some history. I suggest that you start with a recognized classic in the field "The Churching of America, 1776-1990: Winners and Losers in Our Religious Economy" by Roger Finke and, Rodney Stark

As for Sharia Laws what makes you think you know more about them then I do? Have you read the Qu'ran from cover to cover as I have? Have you taken college level classes on Islamic history and culture as I have? Have you written on Islamic art and culture for mass circulation history magazines as I have?

What little you know about Sharia law I am willing to bet you got from right wing sources or misinformed and highly prejudiced people like some who have posted on DJ lately.

Any way you slice it there is no chance that you are going to be able to turn back the tide. Muslims are going to be a growing part of the American multicultural whether you like it or not.

I for one find this to be a good thing.

ROLFMAO............

You can accept the words of Sociologists if you please, it just proves P.T. Barnum's long credited point.

All the denials you can muster can't erase what is there.

Don't bet too much money, son. So far, you've been wrong on just about everything you perceive about me.

However, I have a good idea that will in essence, kill two birds with one stone. You desire even more Muslims around you and many of your cronies desire the closure of Gitmo, so why don't we just move them to your neighborhood?

You can teach them all about American freedom and learn about their brand of Islam at the same time.

As for my knoweldge of Islamic culture, keep guessing. But, I will say I enjoyed all the correspondence I've had with Islamic Scholars.

Better try next time, son.

As far as muslims in my community we have some really nice people who have decided to make our area thier home, and we have some who like to case the airbase and the vienna arsenal. To each his own. Having a muslim as a representative is great, they are conservative people who beleive in decency and much of the Koran has the same laws and customs as the Bible. I just hope that if we get a higher population that instances of honor killing and homosexual hangings won't be common, that would be a step in the wrong direction in this country.

@ LewWaters
Hate to tell you, but Christians are not "imposing" our beliefs on anyone. Laws were based off of Christian beliefs in the beginning, but liberals have seen their way to deny sound principle in favor of their anything goes attitude.

I have to disagree with you here Lew. In the U.S., religion does impose on various areas: same sex marriage, abortion (this could be a morality issue rather than religion), teaching, etc.

Look at Florida -- religious beliefs have been imposed on others for so long that most students could not pass basic testing on evolution. Is that not imposing religion?

@ LewWaters
ROLFMAO............

You can accept the words of Sociologists if you please, it just proves P.T. Barnum's long credited point.

All the denials you can muster can't erase what is there.

Don't bet too much money, son. So far, you've been wrong on just about everything you perceive about me.

However, I have a good idea that will in essence, kill two birds with one stone. You desire even more Muslims around you and many of your cronies desire the closure of Gitmo, so why don't we just move them to your neighborhood?

You can teach them all about American freedom and learn about their brand of Islam at the same time.

As for my knoweldge of Islamic culture, keep guessing. But, I will say I enjoyed all the correspondence I've had with Islamic Scholars.

Better try next time, son.

so·ci·ol·o·gy--the science or study of the origin, development, organization, and functioning of human society; the science of the fundamental laws of social relations, institutions, etc.

Yep Lew those are exactly the sort of scholars I will consider as opposed to the right wing hate mongers that you seem to prefer.

As for the victims of the Gitmo concentration camp I don't see what the problem is since the overwhelming majority of them were innocent victims of Bush league justice--or should I say injustice?

It is the "grateful" Iraqis you should be worried about. Frankly I hope that a large group of Iraqis who have "benefited" from Bush's crackpot crusade by having their country destroyed, their families killed and their culture pillaged will move into your neighborhood so that you get to experience the full impact of their gratitude up close and personal.

I am sure that you all will have no end of fun reminiscing about all the "good" that has been done to their homeland and how much they would like to return the favor.

@ lensman67
I am particularly grateful for the Muslims on the local school board since they team up with the Buddhists to keep the Christian Fundamentalist in check. As a result we have real science in our science classes instead of Creationist garbage. We can also go to a football game without it turning into a revival meeting.

Spoken like a true Christian! (not a faux Christian).

@ Chris Hogg
I have to disagree with you here Lew. In the U.S., religion does impose on various areas: same sex marriage, abortion (this could be a morality issue rather than religion), teaching, etc.

Look at Florida -- religious beliefs have been imposed on others for so long that most students could not pass basic testing on evolution. Is that not imposing religion?

Christopher Hogg!! Speaking about imposing religion!! I see Lensman has succeeded in brainwashing all of DJ staff because you are all liberals. But please, since you are portraying yourself on here as being fair and UNBIASED, are not the LIBERALS imposing their religion (humanism/atheism) on others by PREVENTING the teaching of creationism alongside evolution??? Your ignorance is blinding, thank you very much, or is that hypocrisy that I see?

@ lensman67
so·ci·ol·o·gy--the science or study of the origin, development, organization, and functioning of human society; the science of the fundamental laws of social relations, institutions, etc.

Yep Lew those are exactly the sort of scholars I will consider as opposed to the right wing hate mongers that you seem to prefer.

As for the victims of the Gitmo concentration camp I don't see what the problem is since the overwhelming majority of them were innocent victims of Bush league justice--or should I say injustice?

It is the "grateful" Iraqis you should be worried about. Frankly I hope that a large group of Iraqis who have "benefited" from Bush's crackpot crusade by having their country destroyed, their families killed and their culture pillaged will move into your neighborhood so that you get to experience the full impact of their gratitude up close and personal.

I am sure that you all will have no end of fun reminiscing about all the "good" that has been done to their homeland and how much they would like to return the favor.

Spoken like a true Christian again, not a faux Christian.

@ Sheba
Christopher Hogg!! Speaking about imposing religion!! I see Lensman has succeeded in brainwashing all of DJ staff because you are all liberals. But please, since you are portraying yourself on here as being fair and UNBIASED, are not the LIBERALS imposing their religion (humanism/atheism) on others by PREVENTING the teaching of creationism alongside evolution??? Your ignorance is blinding, thank you very much, or is that hypocrisy that I see?

Sure religion gets suppressed all the time. But we were talking about religion being imposed on others and I disagreed with Lew when he said it wasn't. That's all.

If we want to also talk about religious freedoms being suppressed I will also agree that happens.

As for Lensman brainwashing: We don't need to get into that debate. We have our own minds and are entitled to our own opinions just like you are.

As for us being Liberals: I don't think any of us have spoken at all about what our political ideologies are.

@ Chris Hogg
Sure religion gets suppressed all the time. But we were talking about religion being imposed on others and I disagreed with Lew when he said it wasn't. That's all.

If we want to also talk about religious freedoms being suppressed I will also agree that happens.

As for Lensman brainwashing: We don't need to get into that debate. We have our own minds and are entitled to our own opinions just like you are.

As for us being Liberals: I don't think any of us have spoken at all about what our political ideologies are.

Really Christopher Hogg!! Smoke screens and mirrors, I've been around here long enough to know what YOU and other DJ staff THINK!! This trying to make Lensman look good is just succeeding in making you (DJ) look like a bunch of idiots. We are all aware of what you're (DJ) trying to do. Keep telling him to 'tone it down' - he never will. You (DJ) need to realize that MOST (not all) of the CJs on here are Conservative and being called names like the "swarm" by Lensman (who still has not been disciplined for threatening me) should not have gone unpunished either! Again I say your hypocrisy is blinding.

@ Sheba
Really Christopher Hogg!! Smoke screens and mirrors, I've been around here long enough to know what YOU and other DJ staff THINK!! This trying to make Lensman look good is just succeeding in making you (DJ) look like a bunch of idiots. We are all aware of what you're (DJ) trying to do. Keep telling him to 'tone it down' - he never will. You (DJ) need to realize that MOST (not all) of the CJs on here are Conservative and being called names like the "swarm" by Lensman (who still has not been disciplined for threatening me) should not have gone unpunished either! Again I say your hypocrisy is blinding.

We're not getting in a bickering match Sheba. Have a good one.

WHOA!!!!! Ok, anyone that knows me knows I am in no way, shape or form a liberal. I am very conservative.

I do not know what the past history here is but I am going to say that even when I knew Chris disagreed with my position, he supported my right to speak freely of them and has stood up for my conservative positions more than one time in his ability to be fair.

When I started here, I thought Chris was a fair minded liberal, and rational, but over the course of the last few months, I have come to see him as standing on issues and NOT party affiliation, leaving me to question my own initial thoughts about his being liberal.

I can understand his not wanting a religion attacked when it is not separated by saying moderate versus extreme and instead having comments taken as a "general" assessment of any one religion and at first I didn't understand how some comments would get noticed and he would step in and others (like attacks against my Jewish religion aimed directly at me, would be ignored), then I realized how big this site was and how many comments there were to monitor and understood that some comments, if not reported, simply fell through the cracks. Once reported as abuse, I see that he does step in fairly and removed inappropriate comments when they are brought to his attention.

Just an observation from one that hasn't been here as long as others and hopefully an objective one to boot.

(getting off my soap box now and KB would say)

He's already Spoken about DEFEAT in Iraq to day along with job loses in INDIANA.. This DUUF has IGNORED the Many thousands JOBS created by HONDA in Evansville ( truck plant) and the Newest in GREENSBURG, In.. CARS... BUT a Lynbg Muslim is a DEMOCRAT and lies make them Progressive LIARS.. some change eh?? So now we have TWO Muslims in the House and One in the Senate.. Who's next?? Hindu?? Rafstarian?? Vegeteriuan?? Or more Idjits like Boxer and Pelosi???

lensman:

Yep Lew those are exactly the sort of scholars I will consider as opposed to the right wing hate mongers that you seem to prefer.

Another boring diversion?

@ Chris Hogg
I have to disagree with you here Lew. In the U.S., religion does impose on various areas: same sex marriage, abortion (this could be a morality issue rather than religion), teaching, etc.

Look at Florida -- religious beliefs have been imposed on others for so long that most students could not pass basic testing on evolution. Is that not imposing religion?

Sorry, Chris, but it isn't an "imposition" at all. If religion were imposing their views, evolution wouldn't be taught at all. That they teach it as a "theory" is only truth, since neither thought can be absolutely proven as of yet.

As for same sex marriage, abortion and other such claims, there are plenty of people who aren't religious that oppose them too. There again, that alternatives to gay marriage and the legality of abortions remains available shows no imposition.

@ lensman67
so·ci·ol·o·gy--the science or study of the origin, development, organization, and functioning of human society; the science of the fundamental laws of social relations, institutions, etc.

Yep Lew those are exactly the sort of scholars I will consider as opposed to the right wing hate mongers that you seem to prefer.

As for the victims of the Gitmo concentration camp I don't see what the problem is since the overwhelming majority of them were innocent victims of Bush league justice--or should I say injustice?
It is the "grateful" Iraqis you should be worried about. Frankly I hope that a large group of Iraqis who have "benefited" from Bush's crackpot crusade by having their country destroyed, their families killed and their culture pillaged will move into your neighborhood so that you get to experience the full impact of their gratitude up close and personal.

I am sure that you all will have no end of fun reminiscing about all the "good" that has been done to their homeland and how much they would like to return the favor.

Thats too FUNNY!!! "Bush League Justice" We see where you get your info and news from, MSNBC! You libtards are the CRACKPOTS! You people have lost your minds! You talk about freedom and human rights, what about the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's that were murdered by Saddam and his henchmen? Thank God for the noble efforts of OUR Troops! Now the Iraqi's that wish to live in "Freedom" now have that chance! Im so sick of all your Anti this Anti that rhetoric! You hate America so much, THEN LEAVE!!!!