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Op-Ed: The (Coming) War Between the States?

Posted Feb 20, 2008 by  Mr Garibaldi in Politics | 46 comments | 534 views
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With the declaration of independence by Kosovo from Serbia this past weekend, other separatist regions are looking to them as an example. Given that there is U.S. support for this, how well did it go over when the south tried to go independent in 1860?
This past week Kosovo declared it's independence as a free and sovereign nation. Personally, having followed the breaking down of life in general into day to day survival in the former Yugoslavia during the 90's, I'm very happy for them. The United States and several NATO member nations are on board with this move, which is naturally being seen as a bad thing by Russia and several other former Soviet Bloc nations.

"Serbia will ... do everything in its power to revoke the unilateral and illegal declaration of independence," President Boris Tadic said in the capital moments after Kosovo's parliament voted in Pristina to break off from Serbia.

But he said Serbia would not use force to reclaim the breakaway province, and urged Serbia's political parties and the 130,000 Serbs living in Kosovo "to remain calm."

Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica lashed out at U.S. President George W. Bush for supporting Kosovo's independence bid, saying the U.S. leader's name would go down in "black letters" in Serbian history.


The situation with Kosovo has given me cause for pause, to reflect, and to ponder a bit our own situation here at home. All one has to do is to turn on the nightly news and follow our current Presidential campaigns, read what people are saying, listen to their thoughts and their words, and see that we, ourselves, are a nation that is once again in danger of dividing. Berkeley, California, comes readily to mind as what could be a foreshadowing of what could lie down the road for our own nation.

Some of you may have seen some of this before, as I have written on this topic before, but to others of you, this line of thinking, from me, will be brand new to you.

I want to make this disclaimer before you, the reader, continues into this particular posting. I want it to be known that I am in no way advocating nor promoting the taking of arms by the citizenry of the United States against our government. My record will show, if you have been following what I write for any length of time whatsoever, that I am behind our troops and the President in regards to the war in the Middle East. I may take issue with the administration on other things, on issues such as abortion, illegal immigration, and any host of other things involving our government. That being said, I want it perfectly clear that I am NOT advocating uprisings of any sort.

That being said, I'm going to venture into an area that I hear daily discussed on talk radio shows across the southeastern U.S. that don't make it into the headlines nor into the topics of national talk radio shows. Southerners, by and large, are an irritated group of people. And they're starting to vent their frustrations verbally in public forums.

Anyone who has ever been to the South has seen a certain red, white, and blue flag flying in front yards throughout the countryside or on bumper stickers of cars and pickup trucks driving down the highways. The American flag flies high, shown with great pride in the South. So does the other flag to which I refer; the Confederate battle flag, known widely across the country and the world as the Rebel flag. I know what I'm about to say is going to annoy some. So be it. What I'm about to say isn't going to feed propoganda of groups like the NAACP, the Klan, or any other groups that are out there rallying around the Rebel flag or trying to get rid of it for their own causes. What I'm about to say about this is the heartfelt sentiment of many Southerners, men and women who don't fly the flag out of hatred or for racial reasons, but for other reasons that we're going to explore today.

So if you can follow along for a bit to learn a bit and to stop and think, without letting left wing or right wing bias cloud your thinking, please continue. If you're already planning to go on the attack for what I'm about to say? You might as well stop right now and close this, don't even bother to continue. For one, I'm not going to be baited by leading comments or suggestions, and for two, those of you who do that are not worth my time in responding to. Discussion, yes, but responding to attacks? Better things to do.

What I'm about to say comes from years and years of having the same conversation over and over and over again with people who love the South, live in the South, and love our country as a whole as well as the South, but also love a deep heritage that is unique to the Southerner. For those of you who choose to read on from this point, let us continue.

There are any number of bumper stickers in the South bearing a little cartoon figure in Confederate gray waving a Confederate flag with the words "Surrender, Hell!", "Lee surrendered, I didn't," or the bumper sticker featuring the American AND Confederate flags stating "American by birth, Southern by the grace of God" on them.



Northerners who come to the South and see them have various reactions to these effigies, varying from "quaint," "cute," "charming," to "racist," "hateful," and "gotta be a redneck." From Maryland and Virginia southward to Miami, across Tennessee, Arkansas, and down into Texas, even in Kentucky and Missouri, the Confederate flag is everywhere. One hundred and forty-two years after Appomattox, why is there still such a display of the Confederate flag?

One answer is Reconstruction. A period of time that should have been a time of healing after the war only served to further deepen the resentments of Southerners against the North. Contrary to popular beliefs written by historians after the war, ingrained in the mindset of the public in regards to the Civil War, the war itself was all about slavery. It wasn't. Slavery was only one issue among a great, great many. Slavery, in fact, was becoming an economic hardship on slaveholders and was, by economic necessity, on it's way out. Historians are on both sides of this argument, but by looking at things from a fiscal and financial point of view, the introduction of the cotton gin and other advances in farm machinery opened the door for the end of slavery. Call slavery what you will, evil or necessary, there are a few facts that should be kept in mind in regards to the practice: Christ did not condemn slavery (nor is it condemned anywhere in the Bible), a great number of African tribes sold prisoners from other tribes to white slavers through the centuries that Africa was being used to provide slaves to the Americas and Europe, and slavery is a practice that even today is alive and well in the Muslim world under Islamic law.

At this point I want anyone who is reading this to get up, stretch your legs, go to the bathroom, get a cup of coffee or whatever beverage of choice you prefer, and let your mind chew on that last one. Slavery is a practice that EVEN TODAY is alive and well under Islamic law.

Take five, people. Digest that information.

No, seriously, take five minutes to wrap your Western mind around the fact that slavery is alive and well in the Muslim world.

Okay, I'm going to assume that you've done as I've asked and taken five minutes to get this concept of slavery being alive and well in Islam into your thick American heads (I say that AS a thick headed American, chill out) and we can move on from here.

To get back on topic, the Civil War didn't end with Lee's surrender at Appomattox, in the minds of many Southerners. It went on hold. Especially after Reconstruction.

Nearly one hundred and fifty years later, issues such as abortion, illegal immigration, burdensome taxation (an issue eternal, it seems), states rights versus a large federal government (another holdover from the original war between the states), and a host of issues both new and old have grass roots Southern America in a state of outrage. At least once or twice a day in my travels with work, either in face to face conversations with people or hearing it on the airwaves, civil war is mentioned.

That should scare people.

For some reason, it doesn't.

Congress seems to be ignoring this. The Senate seems to be ignoring this. The White House? No idea what the White House position on it is. I will tell you, though, that the mindset of a number of Southerners out there is to take up arms again.

If that happens, and historically, it has already happened once, if that happens, A great many moderate thinking Southerners will resign themselves to the fact that "it's back on."

In the back of almost every Southerner's mind, Lee at Appomattox was nothing more than an extended cease fire that's been waiting for it's end. "Lee Surrendered, I Didn't." Day by day, week by week, month by month, left wing leadership is taking more and more Southerners into the mindset of "we don't need this."

Most of us have already disowned Al Gore.

Just a case in point.

I'm not saying these things in advocacy. I want that remembered. I want that clearly understood and comprehended. I'm saying it as a hope that there are people reading this who will wake up and listen. Not to prosecute. You don't prosecute over thoughts. When the thought police start taking to the streets, the people DO rise up and strike back. I'm saying what I'm saying because I have the hopes of an America described in the Charlie Daniels song "In America" that says "and you never did think that we'd ever get together again."

Extreme ideas cause extreme problems.

Now if you'll excuse me, someone has a Confederate battle flag that needs to be refolded from where someone has been looking at it and thinking...
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  • avatar Posted Feb 20, 2008 by  Carolyn E. Price (gohomelaker)
    #1
    Oh my, what an Op/Ed and what a topic. Thanks for writing such a wonderfully concise and thought provoking post.

    You have brought up some interesting points, but my question is, what do you see as a solution? You raise so many issues, some that are easily solvable ... others that aren't. However, are any of these issues really worth starting a civil war over? None of them, to me anyway, would be classified as a "sovereignty" or cultural difference issue. And why does a proposed secession of Southern States have to be preceded by a civil war? Could it not be through a grass roots political movement?

    Why I say this is that we in Canada have been faced with this issue for years and have come to the very brink of our country being split, to the point I must say where there are a lot of Anglo's who have said "Just go" to the Franco's. There is a very clear issue of the separatists believing that they are a distinct society from the rest of Canadians due to language and cultural differences and this would be the basis for removing Quebec from Canada.
  • avatar Posted Feb 20, 2008 by  Helena Handbasket
    #2
    Great stuff here Mike. Good show.
  • avatar Posted Feb 20, 2008 by  Mr Garibaldi
    #3
    In 1850 there was what is called, appropriately, "The compromise of 1850," which made certain allowances for the entry into the Union of states as either slave or not. Basically, for each slave state, there was a free state. There were other provisions as well, but that was the most hotly contested one for agricultural reasons.

    Ten years later, South Carolina seceded from the Union and the dominoes started falling, and the war was on.

    Personally, my own opinion is that if two regions of one nation can not come to terms with each other on common ground, if there is no agreement between the people of one region with the people of another , it should be like a divorce. I'm not saying it should be easy, nor entered into without carefully and fully exploring all other options first.

    I've (loosely, in the past few years) followed the separatist movement of Quebec from the rest of Canada, more intensely a few years back because things such as that interest me. I know that Canada, like the US, has more than it's fair share of divisive politics.

    It doesn't have to involve armed conflict. Invariably, however, it somehow tends to wind up that way...
  • avatar Posted Feb 20, 2008 by  Carolyn E. Price (gohomelaker)
    #4
    Mike, the reason I asked about this is because in Canada there are political parties on a Provincial and Federal level who represent the interests of Quebec and Quebec alone and their goal is separation. The Federal party is the Bloc Quebecois and the provincial party is the Parti Québécois.

    What I would like to know is why isn't there an equivalent to this in the Southern States. Please, don't take this the wrong way but is the support for secession truly there? If so, why isn't there a political movement afoot?

    Look, there is always immense dissatisfaction with politics and the direction that politicians take us in. But, I guess what I am saying is that the first steps should be a reasoned and rational political process.
  • avatar Posted Feb 20, 2008 by  Mr Garibaldi
    #5
    There are actually several grass roots groups out there, some calling for a new secession, one group calls itself the official Confederate government.

    I think things would have to get a lot more divided and polarized than they are now for any of them to actually start doing anything other than keeping the memory of the Confederacy alive and well in the hearts and minds of southerners, though. By and large, we're proud to BE Americans, and we support our government when it does right and flood the capital switchboards when they don't (as we did over immigration reform).

    Mostly, it's just a little tickling in the backs of our minds that we get from time to time, when we see the leftist turn that some parts of the country are taking (the South is largely conservative and moderate, liberals down here don't have communist/socialist leanings for the most part), that speaks to us and says, "Lee surrendered an army, not a nation."
  • Randyscandy Posted Feb 20, 2008 by  Randyscandy
    #6
    more war mikey, the south lost get over it
  • avatar Posted Feb 20, 2008 by  Nikki W (karateblossom)
    #7
    Mike, great brainfood! There is probably enough success for secession NOW but there isn't REAL support for it.

    the republic of texas is one of those groups that want it (with a huge portion in the canyon lake area in texas). The support for these guys? Not so much- people found them to be extreme and crazy. Many were or are in jail on drug or for tax evasion. mmmmmmmm!

    Great piece!
  • avatar Posted Feb 20, 2008 by  Nikki W (karateblossom)
    #8
    RANDY.....you silly young man, the south didn't lose- the UNION WAS MAINTAINED! ABE's greatest success! :)

    That flag is a symbol of secession and rebellion, not slavery so much. I can understand Mikes mental rebellion...it makes complete sense in light of what what so many are forcing down our throats.
  • Randyscandy Posted Feb 20, 2008 by  Randyscandy
    #9
    someone should tell mikey that not me its an old and used up thought
  • avatar Posted Feb 20, 2008 by  Mr Garibaldi
    #10
    @ Randyscandy
    someone should tell mikey that not me its an old and used up thought


    The right to live freely is never an old and used up thought, bunny foo foo.
  • Randyscandy Posted Feb 20, 2008 by  Randyscandy
    #11
    times do change what was freedom and great 50 or 200 years need to be rethought at some point life does evolve
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Cynthia T. [Picasso]
    #12
    This was certainly interesting Mike.
    Not really sure exactly what I think about it but I do know that a lot of the Southerners think differently than the Northerners do.

    I have some friends that were from the south and my mother was from West Virginia.
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Samantha A. Torrence
    #13
    Mike, I guess the reason why we Yanks up North here don't take the talk seriously is because, basically the South hasn't ponied up for so long.

    We here talk all the time here in America. People have been so conditioned on their freedom of speech they forgot they need to get off their ass to walk the walk and not just talk the talk. I don't think the South will do anything about this at least not in my life time. If I am wrong, you can consider this, I am not going to get into it. What the north did to the south in the civil war was scary enough, I don't want to imagine what some southerner will do to me and my children if they want revenge for something from 100 some years ago. I am serious. Once war starts, sometimes all thoughts of decency just fly out of the heads of people.

    Sherman was a great military leader, but his ruthlessness I think is still a sore on the south, I don't think it left a scar especially if it is still festering.

    one thing he did do that I think was genius is how he handled roadside bombs...
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Mr Garibaldi
    #14
    @ Samantha A. Torrence
    Mike, I guess the reason why we Yanks up North here don't take the talk seriously is because, basically the South hasn't ponied up for so long.

    We here talk all the time here in America. People have been so conditioned on their freedom of speech they forgot they need to get off their ass to walk the walk and not just talk the talk. I don't think the South will do anything about this at least not in my life time. If I am wrong, you can consider this, I am not going to get into it. What the north did to the south in the civil war was scary enough, I don't want to imagine what some southerner will do to me and my children if they want revenge for something from 100 some years ago. I am serious. Once war starts, sometimes all thoughts of decency just fly out of the heads of people.

    Sherman was a great military leader, but his ruthlessness I think is still a sore on the south, I don't think it left a scar especially if it is still festering.

    one thing he did do that I think was genius is how he handled roadside bombs...


    I think several are sort of missing the point in what I'm saying here. One might look at what I've written, on the surface, and think to themselves "Those damned rednecks are rearming. Hmmmm. I think I want meatloaf for dinner tonight."

    I know very few southerners who aren't armed. I know a great MANY who are military veterans.

    We're not an armed camp down here sitting and stewing in our juices over things, that would make us irrational people. There is a great deal of pride involved in coming from where we come, however, and we have long memories.

    No treaties were signed at the end of the Civil War, no governmental officials signed any surrenders, the government never officially dissolved. Lee surrendered his army at Appomattox, he didn't surrender the nation.

    No self respecting, thinking southerner that I know of is willing to reopen that can of worms on that basis. It is what it is, our states voted to rejoin and were reentered into the union.

    But when we see things going on in the rest of the country like have been going on in Berkeley, California, it gives us pause to stop and think. I use Berkeley because it's the most recent incident and most fresh in people's minds. Personally, in regards to Berkeley, I believe that I'm on the record on here in advocating that THEY secede...
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  DRNETWORK
    #15
    The problem with op-eds is that people can say things and not support them in a scholarly manner. I won't go into all of it, but one thing:

    The cotton gin made slavery more viable when it was invented. In the late 1700's slavery was dying out and the cotton gin gave it more life.

    Gotta go. Nice, polite people who are misguided are still misguided.

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  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Nikki W (karateblossom)
    #16
    Mike-LOL! I'm a southerner-armed (ccl family wide)-veteran. Guess I fit your assessment. And btw, I CAN'T STAND MEATLOAF! lol.

    I do not like the rebel flag, nor do I believe in secession.

    It is my responsibility to protect my family. It is law enforcement's responsibility to maintain the CURRENT law and order (personal beliefs aside) and military's responsibility to protect our country's security.

    Places like Berkley-if they believe they do not NEED laws, or protection, or funds......let them be. I'm with you-set them FREE. They are more like a tumor excised than a loss of limb!

    I have to say, I find you and your mind's processes to be some of the most intellectual thought provoking words I have yet to read here! :) U A NEAT DUDE!
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #17
    I'll never forget the time that I went to N. Carolina when I was 17, and had a store clerk look at me and make a remark quite loudly that there was a "damned Yankee" in the store! At 17, I was shocked, scared and totally unable to blow that remark off! LOL!

    A good thought-provoking article, Mike. And, BTW...I'm still a damned Yankee! LOLOL!
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Mr Garibaldi
    #18
    @ Nikki W (karateblossom)
    I have to say, I find you and your mind's processes to be some of the most intellectual thought provoking words I have yet to read here! :) U A NEAT DUDE!


    MUCH obliged :)



    @ Debra Myers (skyangel)
    I'll never forget the time that I went to N. Carolina when I was 17, and had a store clerk look at me and make a remark quite loudly that there was a "damned Yankee" in the store! At 17, I was shocked, scared and totally unable to blow that remark off! LOL!

    A good thought-provoking article, Mike. And, BTW...I'm still a damned Yankee! LOLOL!


    Actually, we have a delineation between Yankees and damned Yankees here in west Tennessee. A Yankee is, of course, anyone who comes from north of the Mason-Dixon. A DAMNED Yankee is anyone who comes down here from north of the Mason-Dixon line...and stays...

    ;)
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Nikki W (karateblossom)
    #19
    Deb, that always amazes me when I hear stories like that. I mean, it happens both ways...it happens to americans who go to other countries and to foreigners who come here. sit happens to brits who go to germany and germans who go to the UK (those guys actually have commercials portraying one another in negative light).

    A teacher friend of mine who was getting her teaching certificate in minnesota (but was from tennessee but her husband was military) was totally shocked at the portrayal of southerners on the training video: minnesotans were portrayed as the good teachers and the bad teachers were those with southern drawls! LOL!

    It amazes me that people are so shallow on both sides. I have no accent and am always amused at the where are you originally from question. Education? Where I've lived? The stereotype that I PLACE on those with an accent (northern or southern)? I don't know. I speak vanilla! I love all people..except abusive ones. Too bad I wasn't in that store because I would have welcomed you with open arms!
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Mr Garibaldi
    #20
    @ DRNETWORK
    The problem with op-eds is that people can say things and not support them in a scholarly manner. I won't go into all of it, but one thing:

    The cotton gin made slavery more viable when it was invented. In the late 1700's slavery was dying out and the cotton gin gave it more life.

    Gotta go. Nice, polite people who are misguided are still misguided.


    That is, of course, your opinion, Monsieur Sandwich-Board, and your certainly entitled to it. I'll trust my PhD.-packing-recognized-authority-on-the-Civil-War history professor and published author on the same first, though, if it's all the same to you (VERY respectful hat tip to Dr. Lonnie Maness, Professor Emeritus University of Tennessee, Martin).

    By the way, it wasn't just the cotton gin. Other mechanized farming equipment factored in as well. Just an afterthought.
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Nikki W (karateblossom)
    #21
    I'm confused-what did "DRNETWORK's" comment have to do with anything?

    Cotton gin played into the here and now -how? Ok-so if we were talking about the civil war and debating over its start-is this guy saying the cotton gin began the civil war?

    But we were discussing the divided state of the nation w/ regards to extremes and how the mentalities of the civil war times aren't too different.

    A blog link or non educational like w/ regards to history is probably a strong indicator of a lack of any real intelligence on the subject of the cotton gin.

    Moreover-the statements "I won't go into all of it" and "gotta go" furter substantiate the prior assessment, rendering the said opinion obsolete.

    Ok-confusion cleared! THANKS SELF!
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Mr Garibaldi
    #22
    @ Nikki W (karateblossom)
    But we were discussing the divided state of the nation w/ regards to extremes and how the mentalities of the civil war times aren't too different.


    BINGO!

    Makes a difference when you actually read something before commenting on it as opposed to commenting to promote a couple of sites, don't you think?
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #23
    @ Mr Garibaldi
    Actually, we have a delineation between Yankees and damned Yankees here in west Tennessee. A Yankee is, of course, anyone who comes from north of the Mason-Dixon. A DAMNED Yankee is anyone who comes down here from north of the Mason-Dixon line...and stays...

    ;)


    Never thought about moving out of NY...guess I'll figure that out if and when it happens! :)


    @ Nikki W (karateblossom)
    Deb, that always amazes me when I hear stories like that. I mean, it happens both ways...it happens to americans who go to other countries and to foreigners who come here. sit happens to brits who go to germany and germans who go to the UK (those guys actually have commercials portraying one another in negative light).

    A teacher friend of mine who was getting her teaching certificate in minnesota (but was from tennessee but her husband was military) was totally shocked at the portrayal of southerners on the training video: minnesotans were portrayed as the good teachers and the bad teachers were those with southern drawls! LOL!

    It amazes me that people are so shallow on both sides. I have no accent and am always amused at the where are you originally from question. Education? Where I've lived? The stereotype that I PLACE on those with an accent (northern or southern)? I don't know. I speak vanilla! I love all people..except abusive ones. Too bad I wasn't in that store because I would have welcomed you with open arms!


    You know karateblossom...every time that you respond to a story, I never ever get your comments! I get everyone else's...not yours! Chris and I have been trying to figure out why that is!

    I'm like you...I don't care where people hail from...I've never been like that. I just accept them for who they are. No matter what though, I think we'll always find those with that mentality that has to make a big deal out of your accent or where you call home. Can't please people all of the time...!

    And thank you for willingly accepting me had we'd met then!
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Samantha A. Torrence
    #24
    @ Mr Garibaldi
    I think several are sort of missing the point in what I'm saying here. One might look at what I've written, on the surface, and think to themselves "Those damned rednecks are rearming. Hmmmm. I think I want meatloaf for dinner tonight."

    I know very few southerners who aren't armed. I know a great MANY who are military veterans.

    We're not an armed camp down here sitting and stewing in our juices over things, that would make us irrational people. There is a great deal of pride involved in coming from where we come, however, and we have long memories.

    No treaties were signed at the end of the Civil War, no governmental officials signed any surrenders, the government never officially dissolved. Lee surrendered his army at Appomattox, he didn't surrender the nation.

    No self respecting, thinking southerner that I know of is willing to reopen that can of worms on that basis. It is what it is, our states voted to rejoin and were reentered into the union.

    But when we see things going on in the rest of the country like have been going on in Berkeley, California, it gives us pause to stop and think. I use Berkeley because it's the most recent incident and most fresh in people's minds. Personally, in regards to Berkeley, I believe that I'm on the record on here in advocating that THEY secede...



    I get what you are saying don't worry, I was just expanding on some thoughts about why people don't take it seriously. If the south rises again based on the fact that it is being forced to live in a nation of childish idiots, I am not going to be upset. However, I have talked to alot of southerners and not to be concerned that they might dredge up some old scores that need settled would be just plain stupid.

    Btw, if San Fran and Berkeley seceded I would be the first to say build a wall around them too.
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Nikki W (karateblossom)
    #25
    Deb-You know karateblossom...every time that you respond to a story, I never ever get your comments! I get everyone else's...not yours! Chris and I have been trying to figure out why that is!"

    I think its my mobile phone status. I comment like a crazed monkey-lol! For instance, I can't direct contact, direct quote, hit abuse, or do what most of you guys can. That probababy affects some of your abilities to read? Mmmmmm. I'm curious! I'm posting! lol.

    Is all my comments? You saw my previous one, right?.....
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Cynthia T. [Picasso]
    #26
    @ Nikki W (karateblossom)
    Deb-You know karateblossom...every time that you respond to a story, I never ever get your comments! I get everyone else's...not yours! Chris and I have been trying to figure out why that is!"

    I think its my mobile phone status. I comment like a crazed monkey-lol! For instance, I can't direct contact, direct quote, hit abuse, or do what most of you guys can. That probababy affects some of your abilities to read? Mmmmmm. I'm curious! I'm posting! lol.

    Is all my comments? You saw my previous one, right?.....


    You know I don't think that I get any of karateblossom's comments either. I see them if they are on a post where I am getting other replies from.

    If you are still there k b comment again so I can see if I do get a reply when you comment.
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Nikki W (karateblossom)
    #27
    another problem w/ mobile posting.....editing! lol. Sorry for the failure to check agreement in verb...lol!
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #28
    Hadn't thought about that, karateblossom! That probably explains it right there. Chris...are you reading this? LOL!

    Let me know Picasso if you're still not getting her comments either...then I know that it has to be on her end! LOL!
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Cynthia T. [Picasso]
    #29
    @ Debra Myers (skyangel)
    Hadn't thought about that, karateblossom! That probably explains it right there. Chris...are you reading this? LOL!

    Let me know Picasso if you're still not getting her comments either...then I know that it has to be on her end! LOL!


    No I never did get her comment. I got yours Sky but not karateblossom's

    Sometimes on a lot of these threads I get so many replies that I just go down and delete the multiples and just click on to one and read all the others from there. That way you really can't tell if you are getting everyone's comment.
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Nikki W (karateblossom)
    #30
    awe, I'm a reject of sorts :) that's ok! I stand in the face of adversity!
    Just know.....I post like a banshee gone wild, ladies (and chris!).
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Samantha A. Torrence
    #31
    karate your commentary is always enjoyable. lol
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Nikki W (karateblossom)
    #32
    and if someone can have a moderator check on DRNETWORK who is posting the same 2 links in the G spot article as well...what's that about? Can he go from article to article and do that? Int that using DJ to direct others to HIS/HER own website?
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Samantha A. Torrence
    #33
    I don't think that is unacceptable as long as you are commenting. There used to be signatures where people did that often. Those links though would be more conforming with netiquette if he left those in his profile.
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Cynthia T. [Picasso]
    #34
    @ Nikki W (karateblossom)
    awe, I'm a reject of sorts :) that's ok! I stand in the face of adversity!
    Just know.....I post like a banshee gone wild, ladies (and chris!).


    I haven't received any of your replies karateblossom. I only looked here because of the ones from Samantha.
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Nikki W (karateblossom)
    #35
    its my mobile limitations guys! sorry. :(

    Thanks sam for the response! :)
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Cynthia T. [Picasso]
    #36
    @ Nikki W (karateblossom)
    its my mobile limitations guys! sorry. :(

    Thanks sam for the response! :)


    Hey karateblossom I don't know what happened but I just received the reply on this one.

    @ Nikki W (karateblossom)
    awe, I'm a reject of sorts :) that's ok! I stand in the face of adversity!
    Just know.....I post like a banshee gone wild, ladies (and chris!).


    Does that now mean my in box will be flooded with replies from karateblossom? LOL
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Chris Hogg
    #37
    We fixed a bug with replies being sent from mobile so you guys should receive consistent notification now. Karateblossom can continue to "DJ-it" from her mobile =)
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #38
    @ Chris Hogg
    We fixed a bug with replies being sent from mobile so you guys should receive consistent notification now. Karateblossom can continue to "DJ-it" from her mobile =)


    Thanks, Chris and...?

    The problem is solved!!! :)
  • MEA Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  MEA
    #39
    Mike's notion of liberty is certainly more in keeping with Strom Thurmond's than mine.
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Mr Garibaldi
    #40
    @ MEA
    Mike's notion of liberty is certainly more in keeping with Strom Thurmond's than mine.


    ONCE again we see how you make it clear in stellar terms that you have NO concept WHATsoever of what goes on in my mind.

    Thank you, nice of you to come.
  • avatar Posted Feb 21, 2008 by  Nikki W (karateblossom)
    #41
    "#39 Posted 1 hour ago by MEA Mike's notion of liberty is certainly more in keeping with Strom Thurmond's than mine."

    "....and sometimes I throw up!" (quoted from ice age the melt down)
  • MEA Posted Feb 23, 2008 by  MEA
    #42
    The principles underlying the confederate battle flags now sbeing flown in Dixie are clear evidence of the values espoused by the reactionaries who are most clearly spokesmen for the majority on this blog.
  • avatar Posted Feb 23, 2008 by  Sue D.
    #43
    Poor Mea, you do not even make any sense anymore. Perhaps a bit of "thinking" before you react might be called for.
  • avatar Posted Feb 23, 2008 by  Mr Garibaldi
    #44
    @ Sue D.
    Poor Mea, you do not even make any sense anymore. Perhaps a bit of "thinking" before you react might be called for.


    Susan, darlin, you're implying that there was actually a time when he ever DID make sense...
  • avatar Posted Feb 23, 2008 by  Sue D.
    #45
    Well I used to at least be able to read a cohesive sentence, even though it held no logic...NOW, the sentence structure isn't even there anymore.

    weird. Reminds me of my typing if I drink more than one beer
  • avatar Posted Feb 23, 2008 by  Mr Garibaldi
    #46
    @ Sue D.
    Well I used to at least be able to read a cohesive sentence, even though it held no logic...NOW, the sentence structure isn't even there anymore.

    weird. Reminds me of my typing if I drink more than one beer


    True, that...

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