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Archbishop of Canterbury Dr. Rowan Williams has announced that the inclusion of Sharia Law in Great Britain is "unavoidable." What does the Monarchy think of this? Will Scotland Yard incorporate a religious offenses division?
There once was a time when it was said "The sun does not set on the British flag." At the height of the British Empire, the rule of the throne was felt, literally, around the world. The British Empire has gone into decline within our lifetime; what remains is now the British Commonwealth.
In his day, Alexander conquered the known world and had plans for extending his empire beyond the known reaches of the mapped world. His rule extended across Europe and into Asia and Africa. Still today there are cities to be found in several nations which bear the name Alexandria.
It has also been said that "All roads lead to Rome." Before Rome there were (in no particular order) Greece, Egypt, Persia, Babylon, and after the Byzantine and Holy Roman Empires. Those are just the empires that come to mind off the top of my head.
Let us not forget Hitler's dreams of a 1,000 year German empire he called the Third Reich.
There are a great many who think, and believe, that we are witnessing an attempt at a global Islamic empire. Last year's rally in Indonesia by a group of hard line Muslims called for a global caliphate.
More than 70,000 members of a hardline Muslim group held a rally in Indonesia that heard calls for a caliphate -- or Islamic rule -- to govern the world.
The supporters of the Hizbut Tahrir group filled up most of an 80,000-seat sports stadium in the capital Jakarta, waving flags as they heard fiery speeches saying it was "time for the caliphate to reign."
And yet there are those who would say that those who think that there are Muslim extremist groups who are not intent upon world domination are paranoid and don't know what they are talking about. One needs but to look across Europe to see the influx of Muslim immigrants into their countries and see the conflict of cultures that is already beginning to start. One can also look here at home in the U.S. and see that there are situations arising where one student was even suspended for the horrible offense of leaving his bagged lunch, a ham steak, on a table where a group of Muslim students were seated.
I'm sure those students were critically injured by the offending ham steak.
And now we have the Archbishop of Canterbury stating that the infusion of Sharia Law into the British legal system is "unavoidable."
Dr Rowan Williams told Radio 4's World at One that the UK has to "face up to the fact" that some of its citizens do not relate to the British legal system.
Dr Williams argues that adopting parts of Islamic Sharia law would help maintain social cohesion.
For example, Muslims could choose to have marital disputes or financial matters dealt with in a Sharia court.
He says Muslims should not have to choose between "the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty".
In other words, the rule of law in Great Britain is going to have to change to include Sharia law.
Does this mean that British legal officials will not charge fathers who kill their wives and daughters for not wearing traditional Muslim attire with murder? Will stoning become a common place event in the streets of London when people are caught in the act of adultery? Will Scotland Yard have a chopping block for the removal of limbs of those convicted of theft?
Will we see the Queen stepping down from the throne and donning a burkha?
I have to say this. Our founding fathers in the United States were wise to prohibit, in the Constitution, the establishment of a state sponsored religious body.
[UPDATE]
Perhaps there is still hope for the Brit's, after all. Prime Minister Gordon Brown has denounced the Archbishop of Canterbury's suggestion that Sharia Law and Parliamentary Law can co-exist:
The Prime Minister rapidly distanced himself from Dr Williams's view. Gordon Brown's spokesman said: "Our general position is that sharia law cannot be used as a justification for committing breaches of English law, nor should the principles of sharia law be included in a civil court for resolving contractual disputes.
THERE'S that stiff upper lip!
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Y'all are cracking me up! LOLOL!
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Oh please.
Perhaps you were focused on the spectacle of anxiety-driven xenophobes scurrying around their Tight Little Aisle.
Problem is the self-caricature, as these things do, metastasizes into really ugly panic and blocks reasoned exchange.
The man spoke thoughtfully from a widely respected and admired intelligence, and that includes his detractors. He was talking about integrating elements of Sharia that don’t conflict with British standards of civility and justice. He was speaking for those without a voice in the society of which they are already members. He was talking about respect for diversity, accepting diversity of religious commitment and faith.
He was attacked in the blind unthinking manner you’ve reported (and parroted). He also received thoughtful support which you haven’t.
If as I suppose this is intended to be journalism, it’s irresponsible journalism. On that basis I’d give it a -10.
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On second thought and reading it sounds as if Mike wouldn’t mind trying his hand at the watering can and watching the guy convulse; the kind of guy thinks a blustering façade of tough talk beats clarity any day of the week. Does he live here? Kinda lowers the tone somewhere down in the sewer where Fear is king. I guess fancy houses need toilets just like everybody else. Ape beats chest, frightens the children.
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...then relishes and reaps from the chaos.
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Diversity sucks! Those who prefer diversity to full integration under a common democratic law are stupid. Islam is not a religion of freewill and in its present form it is a vicious dictatorial cesspool of mankind that murders those who disagree.
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Considering the Archbishop is being asked to step down, I guess he wasn't speaking for everyone and his ideas didn't exactly make sense and have already been ruled out by Brown.
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@ felix culpa
Oh please.
Perhaps you were focused on the spectacle of anxiety-driven xenophobes scurrying around their Tight Little Aisle.
Problem is the self-caricature, as these things do, metastasizes into really ugly panic and blocks reasoned exchange.
The man spoke thoughtfully from a widely respected and admired intelligence, and that includes his detractors. He was talking about integrating elements of Sharia that don’t conflict with British standards of civility and justice. He was speaking for those without a voice in the society of which they are already members. He was talking about respect for diversity, accepting diversity of religious commitment and faith.
He was attacked in the blind unthinking manner you’ve reported (and parroted). He also received thoughtful support which you haven’t.
If as I suppose this is intended to be journalism, it’s irresponsible journalism. On that basis I’d give it a -10.
First of all, "felix," I call it like I see it and don't necessarily give a damn about your "rating."
Secondly, I never parrot. That's a waste of time for all involved.
Thirdly, you aren't by some chance an ex-girlfriend or my ex-wife, somehow, are you? Because that's how you come across...................... -
@ felix culpa
On second thought and reading it sounds as if Mike wouldn’t mind trying his hand at the watering can and watching the guy convulse; the kind of guy thinks a blustering façade of tough talk beats clarity any day of the week. Does he live here? Kinda lowers the tone somewhere down in the sewer where Fear is king. I guess fancy houses need toilets just like everybody else. Ape beats chest, frightens the children.
And I merely have to walk into a room to frighten people, especially small children. Ask anyone who knows me or works with me and has seen this phenomenon.
Go back to your own sewer and stop climbing out of mine, I'm locking the toilet lid where you can't come back in. -
@ felix culpa
...then relishes and reaps from the chaos.
Speaking of wasting time, this is the last of mine that I shall be wasting on YOU. -
whoo-who, Mike...you rock! LOL!
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@ Mr Garibaldi
First of all, "felix," I call it like I see it and don't necessarily give a damn about your "rating."
Secondly, I never parrot. That's a waste of time for all involved.
Thirdly, you aren't by some chance an ex-girlfriend or my ex-wife, somehow, are you? Because that's how you come across......................
@ Mr Garibaldi
And I merely have to walk into a room to frighten people, especially small children. Ask anyone who knows me or works with me and has seen this phenomenon.
Go back to your own sewer and stop climbing out of mine, I'm locking the toilet lid where you can't come back in.
ROFLMAO!!!-
@ felix culpa
Oh please.
Perhaps you were focused on the spectacle of anxiety-driven xenophobes scurrying around their Tight Little Aisle.
Problem is the self-caricature, as these things do, metastasizes into really ugly panic and blocks reasoned exchange.
The man spoke thoughtfully from a widely respected and admired intelligence, and that includes his detractors. He was talking about integrating elements of Sharia that don’t conflict with British standards of civility and justice. He was speaking for those without a voice in the society of which they are already members. He was talking about respect for diversity, accepting diversity of religious commitment and faith.
He was attacked in the blind unthinking manner you’ve reported (and parroted). He also received thoughtful support which you haven’t.
If as I suppose this is intended to be journalism, it’s irresponsible journalism. On that basis I’d give it a -10.
Well now -- don't you sound familiar and parrot-like .... lol -
@ Helena Handbasket
Well now -- don't you sound familiar and parrot-like .... lol
LOL!! I was thinking the same thing. At least they should change up the verbiage, ya know? -
@ Mark L Harvey
LOL!! I was thinking the same thing. At least they should change up the verbiage, ya know?
That's what I find endlessly amusing.................. -
Thanks, Mike.
Canada has moved as far as any toward multiculturalism. So far, it has been a mixture of successes and dramatic failures. The latest failure was an attempt by the Province of Ontario to bring in elements of Sharia law. It quickly became evident how impossible and dangerous that would be, and the plan fortunately was scrapped.
Most Muslims are not trying to force Islam on the rest of the world. However, it is worth noting what has happened in various countries as the voting population has crossed the 50% mark. No hard stats here – go for it, those who are interested. There are already countries that claim (not quite accurately) to have a 100% Muslim population, and that see themselves as the advance guard of an Islam world.
We shouldn’t be alarmist about this – just informed and wise. I worry about even talking about this, as I hate to see overreaction.
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@ tonystep
Thanks, Mike.
Canada has moved as far as any toward multiculturalism. So far, it has been a mixture of successes and dramatic failures. The latest failure was an attempt by the Province of Ontario to bring in elements of Sharia law. It quickly became evident how impossible and dangerous that would be, and the plan fortunately was scrapped.
Most Muslims are not trying to force Islam on the rest of the world. However, it is worth noting what has happened in various countries as the voting population has crossed the 50% mark. No hard stats here – go for it, those who are interested. There are already countries that claim (not quite accurately) to have a 100% Muslim population, and that see themselves as the advance guard of an Islam world.
We shouldn’t be alarmist about this – just informed and wise. I worry about even talking about this, as I hate to see overreaction.
"Overreaction" is an understatement! -
We shouldn’t be alarmist about this – just informed and wise
Sure. I've always maintained it is impossible to be informed and wise without doing the work to arrive at that place. Impossible to arrive at that place if head is firmly planted in ........ cough.
Not refering to you directly or indirectly re: head -- cough. -
In the United States of America we permit American Aborigines to maintain their own Tribal Laws.
Or am I mistaken?
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The sand. You did mean "the sand." Right?
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@ MEA
In the United States of America we permit American Aborigines to maintain their own Tribal Laws.
Or am I mistaken?
How does that relate to immigrant Muslims in Britain wanting to assert their religious expletive law expletive on Brits in their homeland? -
@ tonystep
The sand. You did mean "the sand." Right?
cough ... ya that's it. Sure. Why not. Either way one would be blind ...... -
@ Helena Handbasket
cough ... ya that's it. Sure. Why not. Either way one would be blind ......
LOLOL! -
@ Helena Handbasket
cough ... ya that's it. Sure. Why not. Either way one would be blind ......
ROFL, love your sense of humor Helena -
@ Debra Myers (skyangel)
LOLOL!
Thanks for the flick you sent along to me Deb. Thoroughly enjoyed the um experience. lol -- You are a ray of sunshine and a fistful of lollipops on any given day. 8 ) -
@ Helena Handbasket
Thanks for the flick you sent along to me Deb. Thoroughly enjoyed the um experience. lol -- You are a ray of sunshine and a fistful of lollipops on any given day. 8 )
Giggle! Thanks! :) -
The "sand" thing reminds me of the web video of the guy cleaning up behind the elephant, when the elephant decided to sit down ... sure you've seen it ... blind, deaf and dumb, i'll bet ...
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@ MEA
In the United States of America we permit American Aborigines to maintain their own Tribal Laws.
Or am I mistaken?
The Nations maintain their own laws and customs on the reservations, which are by and large considered to be separate entities from the United States, despite the fact that they are within our national boundaries. -
@ Helena Handbasket
How does that relate to immigrant Muslims in Britain wanting to assert their religious expletive law expletive on Brits in their homeland?
It doesn't. -
@ Mr Garibaldi
The Nations maintain their own laws and customs on the reservations, which are by and large considered to be separate entities from the United States, despite the fact that they are within our national boundaries.
Not to mention they are the first peoples of what is now known as the US of A -- not immigrants with a religious axe to grind. -
Exactly, and as one of those people who IS a "Cherokee mutt," normally I wouldn't even say what I'm about to say because I don't like to be looked at as a whiner, because I'm definitely not, but I find the insertion of that line of thinking into this discussion to be not only irrelevant, but highly offensive to the Nations.
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the insertion of that line of thinking into this discussion to be not only irrelevant, but highly offensive to the Nations.
heh ... me too. Add a Comment
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Op-Ed: The British Are Caving, the British Are Caving!
