Dutch leftist and rightist Islam critics speak up together

This is pure racist, hatred, bigotry ever. I can't believe no one is critizing this guy.

Again, this is proof that Europeans are becoming Islamophobics. Basically, vilify and say anything negative about Islam and you will be the minister, leader, and win so many prizes. This is guy is the council member for the Labour (PvdA) party in Leidschendam-Voorburg. Another Islamophobic, Hirsi ali, was a minister of netherland. There never was a Muslim elected to the government of Netherland. Dutch banned the Burka; a religious clothing.

By the way, he is chairman of the Committee for former Muslims, which has only 3 members including him.

It certainly is NOT "pure racist" blah, blah, blah. It's the truth.

Islam is NOT a "race," so cries of racism are hollow and untruthful. You want to see hatred? Try reading the comments in the Quran, the hadith and by Muslim leaders worldwide as concerns the kuffars/infidels. Bigotry? How are non-Muslims treated in Muslim countries under sharia law?

The Europeans have GREAT reason to become "Islamophobes," as their countries are being destroyed by badly behaved Muslims - how about you address THEM, rather than criticizing people who are defending themselves from an obvious invasion?

Hirsi Ali is a great hero, and your personal attacks are unwarranted but typical of someone who would defend an ideology against a human being. Good to hear the Dutch had the sense to ban the burka - that's very encouraging. Holland is NOT a Muslim nation - yet - so it has the right to determine what is acceptable clothing. Bagging a woman from head to toe is NOT acceptable clothing in a CIVILIZED society.

There will be many more members of Jami's group - the number merely reflects how AFRAID and COWED Muslims are to leave their violent faith.

Please see this chilling website:

The Truth About Islam

@ tarikur
This is pure racist, hatred, bigotry ever. I can't believe no one is critizing this guy.

Again, this is proof that Europeans are becoming Islamophobics. Basically, vilify and say anything negative about Islam and you will be the minister, leader, and win so many prizes. This is guy is the council member for the Labour (PvdA) party in Leidschendam-Voorburg. Another Islamophobic, Hirsi ali, was a minister of netherland. There never was a Muslim elected to the government of Netherland. Dutch banned the Burka; a religious clothing.

By the way, he is chairman of the Committee for former Muslims, which has only 3 members including him.

What guy? This is a German news service that DJ tried to pass off as "staff writers." If you look at most dpa news stories posted on DJ you will find that almost no one even bothers to read them or comment on them.

Most people on DJ prefer articles written by people on DJ and not by faceless hacks in the pay of wire services.

@ No Dhimmi
It certainly is NOT "pure racist" blah, blah, blah. It's the truth.

Islam is NOT a "race," so cries of racism are hollow and untruthful. You want to see hatred? Try reading the comments in the Quran, the hadith and by Muslim leaders worldwide as concerns the kuffars/infidels. Bigotry? How are non-Muslims treated in Muslim countries under sharia law?

The Europeans have GREAT reason to become "Islamophobes," as their countries are being destroyed by badly behaved Muslims - how about you address THEM, rather than criticizing people who are defending themselves from an obvious invasion?

Hirsi Ali is a great hero, and your personal attacks are unwarranted but typical of someone who would defend an ideology against a human being. Good to hear the Dutch had the sense to ban the burka - that's very encouraging. Holland is NOT a Muslim nation - yet - so it has the right to determine what is acceptable clothing. Bagging a woman from head to toe is NOT acceptable clothing in a CIVILIZED society.

There will be many more members of Jami's group - the number merely reflects how AFRAID and COWED Muslims are to leave their violent faith.

Please see this chilling website:

The Truth About Islam

You are an ignorant hateful individual and your basic premises are not new, but recycled propaganda spread by right-wing bigots. We have discussed these accusations many times before on this site and I won't revisit them again for you. Bottom line is the same things you claim can be found in Islamic holy books are found in Christian and Jewish ones. The Europeans were the ones that destroyed the Islamic world through centuries of colonialism and continue to do so.

Funny how you mention Hitler when the reality is what he did to the Jews, demonizing them and inciting the populace against them is exactly what you and your stupid movement are doing now.

Get an education in history 101 and stop posting your garbage.

Making ad hominem attacks on me and others is an incredibly stupid argument. I have stated facts, you have made a personal attack.

We are all well aware of the abuses associated with the Jewish and Christian books as well. Your deflection of the issue is called "tu quoque" the - "you too" argument. It is a false argument.

Despite your hate speech towards me, the facts that I have stated will remain just that - facts.

I did not even mention Hitler, so your attack on me once again reveals a weak and illogical argument.

I have never been to this site before, so once again you are making erroneous assertions, reflecting the utter waste of time you have caused both me, yourself and others reading this site.

I would submit that it is not I who needs an education.

And the fact will remain that standing up to the people who are destroying Europe is a heroic act. Are you one of those individuals who are destroying Europe such that you feel the need to defend them?

Again, please see this site:

The Truth About Islam

It is appalling that you have no concern whatsoever for all the hatred and violence spread in the name of Islam but would instead attack those who are pointing it out. You appear to have no moral compass at all.

@ Bocephalus
You are an ignorant hateful individual and your basic premises are not new, but recycled propaganda spread by right-wing bigots. We have discussed these accusations many times before on this site and I won't revisit them again for you. Bottom line is the same things you claim can be found in Islamic holy books are found in Christian and Jewish ones. The Europeans were the ones that destroyed the Islamic world through centuries of colonialism and continue to do so.

Funny how you mention Hitler when the reality is what he did to the Jews, demonizing them and inciting the populace against them is exactly what you and your stupid movement are doing now.

Get an education in history 101 and stop posting your garbage.

@ No Dhimmi
Making ad hominem attacks on me and others is an incredibly stupid argument. I have stated facts, you have made a personal attack.

We are all well aware of the abuses associated with the Jewish and Christian books as well. Your deflection of the issue is called "tu quoque" the - "you too" argument. It is a false argument.

Despite your hate speech towards me, the facts that I have stated will remain just that - facts.

I did not even mention Hitler, so your attack on me once again reveals a weak and illogical argument.

I have never been to this site before, so once again you are making erroneous assertions, reflecting the utter waste of time you have caused both me, yourself and others reading this site.

I would submit that it is not I who needs an education.

And the fact will remain that standing up to the people who are destroying Europe is a heroic act. Are you one of those individuals who are destroying Europe such that you feel the need to defend them?

Again, please see this site:

The Truth About Islam

It is appalling that you have no concern whatsoever for all the hatred and violence spread in the name of Islam but would instead attack those who are pointing it out. You appear to have no moral compass at all.

You stated no facts. You are inciting hatred against Muslims. This is driven by ignorance and intolerance. You are attempting to use this public forum to spread propaganda and misinform people to further your own interests. Hitler was mentioned in the above article
which is why I referenced him. Because people like you are doing the same thing he did.

It is people like you who are destroying the world, you will not succeed. People will see through your lies, count on it.

"No facts?" How absurd.

No, Jack, I'm not the one running about trying to enslave people under fundamentalist Islam, so I'm not the one who will be destroying the world. Nor am I going about gang-raping unveiled women in non-Muslim countries. Nor am I beheading kidnap victims and dragging their bodies through the streets. Nor am I honor killing women or hacking off their genitals.

All of these things are done by Muslims. There is no need for any non-Muslim to incite hatred against Muslims - Muslims are doing a good enough job of it by themselves.

Once again, you reveal a total lack of moral character in not condemning all these heinous acts while attacking me and others who DO condemn such despicable behavior.

@ Bocephalus
You stated no facts. You are inciting hatred against Muslims. This is driven by ignorance and intolerance. You are attempting to use this public forum to spread propaganda and misinform people to further your own interests. Hitler was mentioned in the above article
which is why I referenced him. Because people like you are doing the same thing he did.

It is people like you who are destroying the world, you will not succeed. People will see through your lies, count on it.

@ No Dhimmi
Making ad hominem attacks on me and others is an incredibly stupid argument. I have stated facts, you have made a personal attack.

We are all well aware of the abuses associated with the Jewish and Christian books as well. Your deflection of the issue is called "tu quoque" the - "you too" argument. It is a false argument.

Despite your hate speech towards me, the facts that I have stated will remain just that - facts.

I did not even mention Hitler, so your attack on me once again reveals a weak and illogical argument.

I have never been to this site before, so once again you are making erroneous assertions, reflecting the utter waste of time you have caused both me, yourself and others reading this site.

I would submit that it is not I who needs an education.

And the fact will remain that standing up to the people who are destroying Europe is a heroic act. Are you one of those individuals who are destroying Europe such that you feel the need to defend them?

Again, please see this site:

The Truth About Islam

It is appalling that you have no concern whatsoever for all the hatred and violence spread in the name of Islam but would instead attack those who are pointing it out. You appear to have no moral compass at all.

Considering the fact that the US has been screwing over the Islamic world for more than half a century I find it a tad disingenuous of you to blame Islam for all the troubles we are experiencing in our relations with that part of the world.

Starting with the foundation of Israel, on Arab lands and at the expense of Arab land owners, the US has done nothing what so ever to deserve anything less than pure hatred.

In 1953 we overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran and but a squalid little dictator in charge, supported by an Israeli trained secret police.

In 1554 and 55 the CIA tried to destabilize the governments of Syria and Lebanon

In 1958 US troops landed in Lebanon to prop up a dictator

In 1967 the US allowed the Israelis to launch a sneak attack against their neighbors and conquer the "occupied territories."

1968 the US allowed Israel to become a nuclear power and thereby empowered it to bully its neighbors.

In 1973 the US provided state of the art weapons to Israel when the Arabs tried to take back the land stolen in 1967

From 1980 to 1988 the US backed Saddam in his war against Iran and even sent Rummy to confer with him only two weeks after he had gassed his own people--We knew about it but did not care.

In 1991 the US invaded Iraq after having given our approval for Saddam's invasion of Kuwait and then lying about what was really going on.

In 1992 Bush Sr. induced the Shiites to rise up and then gave Saddam permission to use helicopters and armored vehicles to suppress them. All those mass graves that US forces "found" at the beginning of the current aggression we knew about because we had been there when they were made.

From 1991 until the US invasion the embargo killed tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians, most of them children.

Since Bush's war of aggression almost a hundred thousand civilians have died--all so that the US can have lower prices on oil.

Looking over the link you provided I must say that the sources you cite are nothing but pure right wing garbage. Islam has a history of peace and cultural advancement that compares very favorably with the squalid history of the West in the same era.

May I suggest that you read more grown up sources such as Karen Armstrong's critically acclaimed book "Islam," or "A History of the Arab Peoples," by Albert Hourani, or "Muhammad's People" by Eric Schroder, or "The Venture of Islam:Conscience and History in a World Civilization," by Marshall Hodgson.

If you really want to be well informed, instead of spouting second hand drivel, then read the Qur'an for yourself instead of relying on right wing ideologues to fill your head with nonsense. Don't simply pick and choose lines taken out of context but read it from cover to cover. It is not all that long and anyone who considers themselves educated owes it to themselves to read it for themselves.

By the way. How many real live Muslims do you know personally?

Sorry, but, no, I ain't buying your Islam apologetics.

Long before the United States government even existed, Muslims were rampaging around the world, slaughtering and raping in the name of Allah and Mohammed. Women have been enslaved by Muslim thugs for CENTURIES - perhaps you think the U.S. government is responsible for that fact as well? Do you know what happened in Bangladesh in 1971 - I suppose America was responsible for that as well. Horseshite.

Your long list of distractions from the facts will not change a thing.

And, no, the website is NOT "right wing" at all - unless all those good and devout Muslims calling for the deaths of infidels are "right wing."

Shall we talk about the Muslim alliance with Hitler?

Get a grip. Islam is a scourge upon mankind. Your sleazy tactics won't convince anyone with half a brain.

The Truth About Islam

"If you really want to be well informed, instead of spouting second hand drivel, then read the Qur'an for yourself instead of relying on right wing ideologues to fill your head with nonsense."

Good grief, you must be completely deranged - but that's par for the course with Muslim apologists.

I've read the Quran several times cover to cover - you know where I'm going, because you've already put in your retarded apologist clause about "context." There IS no context - it's pure hatred of infidels and calls to slaughter all those who do not submit to the EVIL Islam. Surely, in your expertise on Islam you are aware of all those facts.

The Muslims I've known have RENOUNCED Islam because it is so disgusting.

Now, you've passed your test for dhimmitude, be sure to stick your arse in the air and receive your reward. How sick.

For the edification of others who may be reading this site, please see this video concerning the Muslim-Nazi connection.

Hitler and the Grand Mufti of Egypt

Now that you've got me going and since you want me and others to really read the Quran/Koran, here's a quote that perfectly encapsulates that foul book:

"The Qur'an is the most disjointed, jumbled, delusional, psychopathic, hate-filled, repulsively graphic, and violent book ever written. It is filled with tales of Allah burning people alive, ripping off their skin, decapitating them, drowning them in boiling water, and pouring molten pitch down their throats. There is no context, it isn't chronological, and there are no intelligent transitions. It is little more than a hate-filled and violent rant from beginning to end."

Yeah, what a great holy book these demented fanatics follow. Let's all submit to it like the people on this site defending it.

What Tarikur (fipo) says, simply isn't true.

-Another Islamophobic, Hirsi ali, was a minister of netherland.
Not true, she was a member of parliament, not a minister.

-There never was a Muslim elected to the government of Netherland.
Not true, the state secretary for "social affairs and employment" is Ahmed Aboutaleb, a Morocco born
Dutchman.

-Dutch banned the Burka; a religious clothing.
Not true, the burka is not forbidden yet, altough state secretary Aboutaleb suggested women in Burkas should not receive money from the gouvernment, for refusing to participate in any employment by not adapting to employer's wishes to dress like a normal human being.

-By the way, he is chairman of the Committee for former Muslims, which has only 3 members including him.
Not true, Jami's committee has several dozens of members and tributers.