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China’s Three Gorges Dam 'Catastrophe' warning

Posted Sep 26, 2007 by  Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh) in World | 6 comments | 2971 views
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The warning comes from the head of the Three Gorges construction program, Wang Xiaofeng. The Three Gorges Dam is China’s prestige project, and it’s no trivial critique. Erosion, “irrational” development, landslides, and ecological damage are cited
The BBC carries Wang’s comments, and a rather large set of related links. The article also contains a diagram of the dam, which shows how complex the dam is. There’s a ship lift that can take freighters, a lock system, and the massive wall. It really is quite an accomplishment.

Xinhua’s article is pretty scary, and relates to China’s response to a Wall Street Journal piece which raised the concerns about the dam last month. China has been surprisingly frank in its response to those concerns. There are major problems. The dam, according to the Chinese experts, is doing what it’s supposed to do, for flood prevention, and power generation, but the environmental problems are quite serious, and the dam itself is causing some real worries.

The dam contains the flow of the Yangtze, one of the world’s largest, and historically most ferocious, and currently most polluted, rivers, and the problems are large, too.

1. The reservoir itself is polluted.
2. Yangtze water quality, already suffering from severe, “irreversible” pollution, has deteriorated, with increasing growth of algae and aquatic weeds.
3. The sides of the dam are steep slopes. Erosion caused by the sheer mass of water is causing landslides.
4. The landslides have already caused waves 50 metres high, according to sources quoted by Xinhua. (The Aceh tidal wave was 15-30 metres. Krakatoa was 37 metres.)
5. 36 kilometres of shoreline has caved in, and there have been 91 collapses.
6. Water discharged from the dam has damaged embankments downstream.

There are so many issues related to the Three Gorges it could start its own library. It’s the biggest dam in the world, and it’s never been anything but controversial since it started. Some time ago it was alleged that the dam was being built with inferior materials, with contractors and officials rorting the budget and skimping on quality. There was considerable outcry over the flooding of an area containing ancient villages, and historical relics and tombs. In January some money for the project also became a bit more liquid, and has disappeared.

The dam, ironically, given the global criticism of China’s pollution problems, is also a hydro electric scheme, and it is generating electricity and cutting emissions. Murphy’s Law seems to apply to anything environmental in China. Even when they’re doing the right thing, something becomes a problem.

As an engineering feat it hasn’t been boring, either. What’s fascinated me is how they figure the load stresses of water which contains a lot of materials in suspension, like clay. Water is heavy enough, but suspensions are heavier. The dam is 186 metres high. That’s an awful lot of suspension. If the material sinks, it starts to fill the dam. If it remains in suspension, it’s heavy. So far the dam’s been working properly, even in flood season.

CNN has a background article, written prior to the current crop of problems, which gives a good look at the basic issues of the dam and its construction. It's also a very good indication of how ambitious the project was from its inception, and gives an insight into how important it is to the Chinese that it succeeds.

Let’s hope it does, because if it doesn’t, the world’s biggest fire hose is being built. If that 186 metres of water decided to move, nothing could stop it. Imagine a 20 storey version of the Mississippi River, going downhill, at full flood. The Three Gorges Dam is 600 km long, and contains a gigantic amount of water. It’d cause earthquakes, and obliterate anything it encountered, due to kinetic energy. It would be the flood equivalent of Mt. Saint Helens, at the very least, and downstream is one of the most densely populated areas on Earth.

If Noah saw something like that coming, he'd build a spaceship, not an ark.
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  • avatar Posted Sep 26, 2007 by  lensman67
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    One of the major points my professors hammered in to me when I was studying for my degree in Chinese history is the fact that once every couple of generations throughout history the Yangtze had the annoying habit of leaving its current riverbed and wandering across the countryside looking for another one. The results were always disastrous. At times hundreds of thousands, perhaps even millions, of people would be drowned in a matter of only a few days, leading to the collapse of dynasties.

    Most of China's history has been tied up in water management and they have always had the distinction of being the most advanced hydraulic engineers in the world. One would therefor have thought that they could have seen the problems of this project from the beginning, as many historians did.

    Many think that the advent of Communism destroyed the accumulated sense of history built up over the centuries. The philosophy of Taoism "the way of the watercourse" was developed in this region and teaches the insanity of "over controlling" nature. This project had disaster written all over it from the beginning.


    The Three Gorges area is one of the most famous, and beautiful, areas of China, the inspiration for generations of landscape painters. It is filled with historic sites, many of which are hidden and have not yet been discovered. These will be destroyed by the rising waters.

    This alone should have been enough to convince anyone with a reverence for history how dumb this project was but all the technical problems were predicted by historians, who knew the historic problems of dams on the Yangtze. This project should be discontinued and torn down before any more damage is done.

    Those who will not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

    Chinese painting has always emphasized the smallness of man's works when compared to the grandeur of nature.
  • avatar Posted Sep 26, 2007 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #2
    I've followed the planning and building of this for years now, but had not suspected that they've encountered such problems. It really saddened me when I watched a documentary about those people that were forced to move to higher lands, leaving their homes and their history behind. I have always wondered if this isn't going to be China's undoing since the project is so huge.

    Good story, Wanderlaugh!
  • avatar Posted Sep 26, 2007 by  Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh)
    #3
    @ lensman67
    One of the major points my professors hammered in to me when I was studying for my degree in Chinese history is the fact that once every couple of generations throughout history the Yangtze had the annoying habit of leaving its current riverbed and wandering across the countryside looking for another one. The results were always disastrous. At times hundreds of thousands, perhaps even millions, of people would be drowned in a matter of only a few days, leading to the collapse of dynasties.

    Most of China's history has been tied up in water management and they have always had the distinction of being the most advanced hydraulic engineers in the world. One would therefor have thought that they could have seen the problems of this project from the beginning, as many historians did.

    Many think that the advent of Communism destroyed the accumulated sense of history built up over the centuries. The philosophy of Taoism "the way of the watercourse" was developed in this region and teaches the insanity of "over controlling" nature. This project had disaster written all over it from the beginning.


    The Three Gorges area is one of the most famous, and beautiful, areas of China, the inspiration for generations of landscape painters. It is filled with historic sites, many of which are hidden and have not yet been discovered. These will be destroyed by the rising waters.

    This alone should have been enough to convince anyone with a reverence for history how dumb this project was but all the technical problems were predicted by historians, who knew the historic problems of dams on the Yangtze. This project should be discontinued and torn down before any more damage is done.

    Those who will not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

    Chinese painting has always emphasized the smallness of man's works when compared to the grandeur of nature.


    The Tao is one of my all time favorite books. The Chuang Tsu is another Taoist book of which I'm very fond.

    That river has probably killed more people than any other. The dam is perhaps the most potentially dangerous structure on Earth at this moment.

    I find it very hard to believe that the mass of water, plus the sediments, is something you can design a stress loading for. Even relatively small dams are major epics in their loading. They're supposed to be built above their loading. So how do you find a figure for a huge river, which in flood probably carries more water than the Amazon? Pure optimism wouldn't do it. The pressure at 186 metres would be colossal.

    50 metre waves would do more than just knock off a bit of shoreline. They'd affect soil structure. If that's kaolin, it may be very nice clay, but it's also pretty mobile. Under pressure, it flows, itself, and being clay, it doesn't hold any more water than its molecular structure will accept. After that, it repels water. That wasn't mentioned, and I'm wondering if anyone's thought of it. "Soil mechanics" follow some of the basic mechanical rules about applied forces.

    "Fire hose" may be an understatement. There would have to be constant release of water to ensure it stays below whatever loading they've given it, and the water releases seem to be playing havoc downstream.

    Given the Yangtze's rather selective ideas about where it flows, and its sheer mass, a flood plan would be guesswork at best.

    Those who won't learn from history tend to take their lumps, too.
  • avatar Posted Sep 26, 2007 by  Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh)
    #4
    @ Debra Myers (skyangel)
    I've followed the planning and building of this for years now, but had not suspected that they've encountered such problems. It really saddened me when I watched a documentary about those people that were forced to move to higher lands, leaving their homes and their history behind. I have always wondered if this isn't going to be China's undoing since the project is so huge.

    Good story, Wanderlaugh!


    China has some strong feelings about the Yangtze, which as lensman says is a big part of its history. It's a cultural icon, and a symbol of China's epic struggle as a civilization. China has an almost unbroken record of flooding and famines, despite which they were for most of history one of the most advanced cultures on Earth. As far back as Chinese history goes, flood control has been a big issue. The ancient pre-Chin dynasties were famous for their efforts against the floods, 4000 years ago.

    If the Three Gorges fails, it'll be as much of a disaster for those responsible as for whatever it hits. My reply to lensman has some of the problems. I just wish I knew what the answers were.
  • avatar Posted Sep 26, 2007 by  lensman67
    #5
    @ Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh)
    China has some strong feelings about the Yangtze, which as lensman says is a big part of its history. It's a cultural icon, and a symbol of China's epic struggle as a civilization. China has an almost unbroken record of flooding and famines, despite which they were for most of history one of the most advanced cultures on Earth. As far back as Chinese history goes, flood control has been a big issue. The ancient pre-Chin dynasties were famous for their efforts against the floods, 4000 years ago.

    If the Three Gorges fails, it'll be as much of a disaster for those responsible as for whatever it hits. My reply to lensman has some of the problems. I just wish I knew what the answers were.

    I believe the answer can be found in John McPhee's book "Control of Nature."

    It comes to this. When you mess with nature in too radical a fashion you are going to get smacked. This dam is a disaster waiting to happen, not to mention an insult to thousands of years of Chinese history. It is a bad idea and should be stopped and then torn down.

    Hydro-electric power is one of the most ecologically damaging power sources known to man. They would be better off with just about any other source one could name.
  • avatar Posted Sep 27, 2007 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #6
    When they first told about The Three Gorges Dam project years ago, I was fascinated in that they planned to try and control so much water. What you've said Wanderlaugh and lensman is so true...this is a disaster waiting to happen and the cost is going to be far more than anyone can imagine. In lives, history, and money.

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