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article imageN.C. Couple Arrested Over Upside Down Flag

Posted Aug 2, 2007 by  Michael Billy (TRA) in Politics | 10 comments | 2171 views
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Mark and Debra Kuhn of Asheville, North Carolina were flying a flag upside down on their own property with signs pinned to it explaining why it was being flown in that manner: being upside down represents a sign of distress.
A picture of George W. Bush was also pinned to the flag with the text “Out Now” printed underneath. The Kuhns apparently desecrated the flag by pinning signs to it, not by flying it upside down.

The Kuhns were arrested and charged with assault on a government employee, obstruction and flag desecration.

According to the Sheriff’s office, deputy Scarborough informed the couple that they were illegally displaying the flag and attempted to issue Mr. Kuhn with a citation. Kuhn allegedly refused to show I.D. and slammed the door on Scarborough’s hand causing a glass pane to break, which cut the deputy’s hand.

The Kuhns have a different story to tell. They claim that they shut and locked the door and that Scarborough intentionally broke the glass with his fist in order to reach in and unlock the door. He then proceeded to enter their home, without a warrant or permission, and placed them under arrest.

Flag desecration is protected under the First Amendment of the constitution as free speech; a fact that is supported by two U.S. Supreme Court cases. Any law prohibiting it is blatantly unconstitutional.

Mark Radford, the National Guardsman who issued the complaint about the flag, does not seem to care about the Supreme Court or the constitution he swore to uphold.

“The law is the law, and if we don’t follow the rule of the law as a society, where does it go from here?” he asked.

Ever heard of civil disobedience Mr. Radford? A principle employed by Samuel Adams and many others in the founding of our country. A principle exploited by Martin Luther King Jr. in his quest for civil rights. Have you learned about the Boston Tea Party? How about the Revolutionary War? Does any of this mean anything to you?

When there are bad laws, they need to be broken and any law — whether considered constitutional or not — that restricts free speech is a bad law. Civil Disobedience and Jury Nullification are the last strings for citizens to grab at if they wish to change the laws that oppress them. That is, after all, how the prohibition of alcohol was essentially ended.

I would like to personally thank the Kuhns for standing up for their rights and subsequently the rights of every citizen of this country. If we loose the right to free speech, unpopular being the hardest to protect, then we really have no rights at all. Expression is the most essential human freedom.
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  • avatar Posted Aug 2, 2007 by  Navin Vaswani
    #1
    arrested for this!? ridiculous
  • avatar Posted Aug 2, 2007 by  lensman67
    #2
    This is why I pay dues to the ACLU and I expect that they will be getting involved in this case in the near future. I would like to see both the police officer and guardsman have their butts sued off.
  • avatar Posted Aug 2, 2007 by  Michael Billy (TRA)
    #3
    The ACLU is gettng involved:

    Bruce Elmore, an Asheville lawyer and state president of the ACLU, is representing the Kuhns on the criminal charges. Deborah Kuhn said they do not plan to take civil action against the Sheriff’s Office.

    Elmore said his clients were simply practicing expressive conduct protected by the U.S. Constitution and upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court. The First Amendment is meant to protect unpopular speech, not popular speech, he said.

    “I’m surprised that a National Guard officer and deputies with the Buncombe County Sheriff’s Department are not aware that the Supreme Court has declared statutes which criminalize desecration of the flag unconstitutional when the act is involved in expressing a belief, which this clearly was,” Elmore said.


    Thhe quote is fairly far down in the article.
  • avatar Posted Aug 2, 2007 by  lensman67
    #4
    @ Michael Billy (TRA)
    The ACLU is gettng involved:

    The quote is fairly far down in the article.

    Here comes the cavalry!

    I knew when I heard about this case that the ACLU would come to the rescue and from what I know of the Supreme Court decision this case is a slam dunk. Pity they are not suing the Sheriff's office or the block head that filed the complaint. I would like to see those folks pay for their crime.
  • avatar Posted Aug 2, 2007 by  Michael Billy (TRA)
    #5
    @ lensman67
    Here comes the cavalry!

    Pity they are not suing the Sheriff's office or the block head that filed the complaint. I would like to see those folks pay for their crime.


    I agree I would love to see them sued as long as the individuals were held responsible and not the city. No need to steal the money from the taxpayers.

    This case would definitely be a 'slam-dunk' in the Supreme Court but how long will it take to get there?
  • avatar Posted Aug 2, 2007 by  lensman67
    #6
    @ Michael Billy (TRA)
    I agree I would love to see them sued as long as the individuals were held responsible and not the city. No need to steal the money from the taxpayers.

    This case would definitely be a 'slam-dunk' in the Supreme Court but how long will it take to get there?

    Hopefully it won't have to go that far. The very first court it goes to should take one look at the Supreme Court decision and rule the law un-Constitutional.
  • avatar Posted Aug 2, 2007 by  Dheeraj Vaswani
    #7
    Wow. That's crazy.
  • avatar Posted Aug 2, 2007 by  Michael Billy (TRA)
    #8
     lensman67
    Hopefully it won't have to go that far. The very first court it goes to should take one look at the Supreme Court decision and rule the law un-Constitutional.


    Touche. Although local court systems are often corrupt, the county or state ourts at least should find them innocent.

    On a side note, you would think that they would take the law off the books if it is unconstitutional.
  • avatar Posted Aug 3, 2007 by  csmarker
    #9
    Doesn't law enforcement have REAL work to do?.. I don't condone flag desecration but this is absolutely crazy.
  • avatar Posted Aug 3, 2007 by  Michael Billy (TRA)
    #10
     csmarker
    Doesn't law enforcement have REAL work to do?.. I don't condone flag desecration but this is absolutely crazy.


    I don't condone it either but it is their right. Especially when all they were doing was pinning signs to it. Law enforcement officers take an oath to uphold the constitution and, as far as I'm concerned, this incident breaks that oath.

    Also, I would have to say no, the LEO's don't have any real work to do. Unless by 'real work' you mean writing tickets and writing reports AFTER a crime is committed.

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